Hot crank no start
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Hot crank no start
So my 04 f350 was running fine good power and everything till I shut it off a couple days ago and now when it is cold it fires right up but when the truck warms up it just cranks and cranks .... only code I throwing is p2285
Key on engine off
Ipr-14.8
Icp-0
Ficm main power-47.8
Ficm logistics power-14.5
Ficm sync is good
Engine running
Ipr-33.5
Ficm main power-48.0
Ficm logistics-12.5
Icp-875
I thought I fixed it before but I was sadly mistaken replaced the icp and IPR
Key on engine off
Ipr-14.8
Icp-0
Ficm main power-47.8
Ficm logistics power-14.5
Ficm sync is good
Engine running
Ipr-33.5
Ficm main power-48.0
Ficm logistics-12.5
Icp-875
I thought I fixed it before but I was sadly mistaken replaced the icp and IPR
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Randy and Mike are probably two of the best on this forum when it comes to this so let them guide you. Just to answer your question regarding the loss of power, no, you most likely will not feel a loss in power with an air leak as you are describing.
Once the truck gets to temp and the oil is hot, the oil is thinned out causing air leaks to be more prevalent. That could cause your pressure to drop enough to cut off the truck.
Where is your ICP located? Do you know the build date of your truck? Do you know what style HPOP you have?
Once the truck gets to temp and the oil is hot, the oil is thinned out causing air leaks to be more prevalent. That could cause your pressure to drop enough to cut off the truck.
Where is your ICP located? Do you know the build date of your truck? Do you know what style HPOP you have?
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You got the transitional year that has the older style pump, but newer oil rail/ICP location.
Ultimately, the best bet is pull the valve covers. However, you can just remove the oil fill cap on the passenger side and remove either the plug on the driver side like where the oil fill cap would go, or remove the PCV hose. The plug is probably better since there is no PCV housing to interfere with listening for the leaks. This will at least hopefully narrow down to a particular side the air leak might be at.
Also, remove the oil filter and cap to listen for a possible HPO pump issue. If there is any gurgling then you have a bad HPOP.
If you do not hear any leaks with the above then it is possible there is a blown seal at the J-tube that is at the outlet of the HPOP.
Go on YouTube and look up Anthony Youngblood at Super Duty Service. He is on this site as run6.0run. He has a ton of air test videos showing different locations of leaks.
Ultimately, the best bet is pull the valve covers. However, you can just remove the oil fill cap on the passenger side and remove either the plug on the driver side like where the oil fill cap would go, or remove the PCV hose. The plug is probably better since there is no PCV housing to interfere with listening for the leaks. This will at least hopefully narrow down to a particular side the air leak might be at.
Also, remove the oil filter and cap to listen for a possible HPO pump issue. If there is any gurgling then you have a bad HPOP.
If you do not hear any leaks with the above then it is possible there is a blown seal at the J-tube that is at the outlet of the HPOP.
Go on YouTube and look up Anthony Youngblood at Super Duty Service. He is on this site as run6.0run. He has a ton of air test videos showing different locations of leaks.
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Another problem is if you pulled the DP's and SP's those o-rings should have been replaced.
At least you have the ICP easy to get at
Chris also pointed out the oil thins enough that once you shut it down it won't fire. Many times it will STAY running because you are "over the hump" so to speak in that the pump can supply enough pressure as the engine is spinning fast enough, but with an oil leak, starting hot is the issue since the RPM's are not there to overcome the leak.
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The leak most likely is down stream of the IPR, it's sending the higher commanded oil because of it. Looking at an o-ring to see if it good would normally work, but not for a 4000psi system. Are they the updated versions, the ones with the Teflon ring to keep the o-ring from slipping?
Why they updated them to begin with, they slip down the shaft, kind of roll and allow pressure to get by.
The updated versions have 12mm hex heads, the old versions had 10mm heads... What you got?
Why they updated them to begin with, they slip down the shaft, kind of roll and allow pressure to get by.
The updated versions have 12mm hex heads, the old versions had 10mm heads... What you got?
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I was going to say what Randy also points out, you are too high at hot idle for the IPR, calling for more oil than it should to compensate. You won't necessarily notice a huge loss of power, yet, at those numbers.
Another problem is if you pulled the DP's and SP's those o-rings should have been replaced.
At least you have the ICP easy to get at
Chris also pointed out the oil thins enough that once you shut it down it won't fire. Many times it will STAY running because you are "over the hump" so to speak in that the pump can supply enough pressure as the engine is spinning fast enough, but with an oil leak, starting hot is the issue since the RPM's are not there to overcome the leak.
Another problem is if you pulled the DP's and SP's those o-rings should have been replaced.
At least you have the ICP easy to get at
Chris also pointed out the oil thins enough that once you shut it down it won't fire. Many times it will STAY running because you are "over the hump" so to speak in that the pump can supply enough pressure as the engine is spinning fast enough, but with an oil leak, starting hot is the issue since the RPM's are not there to overcome the leak.
So the icp has bin replaced so makes me think many pig tail ? But then wouldn't unplugging it remove the no start if that was the icp?........
When I pulled the do and so I examined the o rings no tears cracks and they where in the groove but I will re examin them
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The leak most likely is down stream of the IPR, it's sending the higher commanded oil because of it. Looking at an o-ring to see if it good would normally work, but not for a 4000psi system. Are they the updated versions, the ones with the Teflon ring to keep the o-ring from slipping?
Why they updated them to begin with, they slip down the shaft, kind of roll and allow pressure to get by.
The updated versions have 12mm hex heads, the old versions had 10mm heads... What you got?
Why they updated them to begin with, they slip down the shaft, kind of roll and allow pressure to get by.
The updated versions have 12mm hex heads, the old versions had 10mm heads... What you got?
12mm hex head when I replaced the IPR there was no debris at all but still replaced it for good measure but the sp o-rings the groove had a little flat part that looked like it was to keep the oring in place I will try to find a picture but the rings had no cracks they didn't really look damaged