Well at this point the issue is moot considering the 6.0 this month just became 2 engine generations old.

 

Yep.............

 

I've had absolutely no problemswith my 7.3. I think it's a great engine, and I wish they still produced it today. The missions got it knocked off the block.

 

This thread is getting long!

We have to go back a bit. The big 3 chose to outsource diesel engines because what they were outsourcing was proven technology. Proven commercial vehicles for years over hundreds of millions of miles.

The problem is change. At some point someone was bound to up the ante with a better engine or at least perceived engine. Plus the EPA forced changes. So since the early part of the decade the big 3 have come up with a myriad of versions to meet or beat the above mentioned.

Yes, the Cummins is compliant through 2010. It met the requirements 3 years early. Leaving both Ford and GM scrambling. Both the 6.4 PSD and 6.7 Duramax aren't. Well, they had to introduce Urea injection into the exhaust of their new trucks. Basically urea is injected into the exhaust stream and yes requires periodic refills via canisters. The Cummins uses some sort of "absorber" in the particulate filter to break down NOx molecules.

So 2011 models due bring more change! Yeah Urea! So now besides a particulate filter....AKA diesel scrubber.....you know have chemical injections as well in the exhaust........and you thought I was kidding about trucks coming with their own air filtered plastic bubble in the near future!!!!!

So regen costs you diesel and every mile driven costs you Urea!!!!!! Scratch that every minute running.......

 

There there is no reason why they were given the stay and not being required to meet new emissions requirements for another year. If they are already compliant now then there is no need for the stay.

That's what I'm having a hard time reconciling.

 

Are they having to do anything like this to the V10, if not we might as well kiss the light duty diesel trucks GOODBYE, until we stop playing around and actually develop good technology before someone forces us to. I am just disappointed that engine engineers(that sounded funny) havent come up with a "nice" way to deal with the pollution of diesel engines, just seems like were laggin behind.

 

That's going to be moot because your only going to be able to get V10s in the 450 and 550 chassis cab configuration from 2011 models on. Atleast in the near term.

I don't think even the people that want a superduty just because they want one will go for that model configuration just on a whim.

Although to my knowledge there isn't any new regulation coming for gas engines as far as emmissions goes(atleast from what I know at this point), only regulation that might be heading this way would be mpg improvements, but I kinda doubt that due to the fact that they usually don't give epa mpg averages on our trucks as it is now.

 

What? Do the FTE V10 lovers know that, cause it sure dont seem like they do?

 

I know because I was actually going to order one in a 250, but I found out from reliable sources that it's no longer going to be available in the "lower" models and only in that configuration in the 450 and 550 models.

I just double checked what info I have on it.

EDIT:

AdvanceTrac® with RSC® (Roll Stability Control™)
• Alternator, Heavy Duty — 155-amp (gasoline)
• Axle
– Twin I-beam front axle with coil spring suspension
(F-250 and F-350 4x2 models)
– Monobeam front axle with coil spring suspension
(F-250 and F-350 4x4 models)
– Monobeam wide track front suspension with
extended axle (F-450) (F-450/F-550 Chassis Cabs)
• Battery
– Diesel engine, 750 CCA, 78-AH, dual (6.8L)
– Gasoline engine, 650 CCA, 72-AH
• Brakes — power Four-wheel Anti-lock Braking System (ABS)
• Engines
– 6.2L 2-valve SOHC EFI modular V8 gasoline
(Flex Fuel) (F-250/F-350)
– 6.7L Power Stroke® V8 turbo diesel (B20) (F-450) (Pickups)
– 6.8L 3-valve SOHC EFI modular V10 gasoline (Chassis Cabs)
• Fuel Tank
– 28-gallon aft-of-axle (F-350 SRW Chassis Cab)
– 40-gallon aft-of-axle (Chassis Cab DRW)
• Rear axle
– Limited-slip (F-450)
– Non-limited-slip (F-250 and F-350)
• Shock absorbers — dual heavy-duty, gas
• Stabilizer bar
– Front
– Rear (F-350 DRW and F-450) (F-550)
• Stationary Elevated Idle Control (SEIC)
• Steering — power
• Steering damper
• Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) (SRW models)
• Traction Control — engine only for DRW models
• Transmission — Heavy Duty TorqShift® 6-speed
SelectShift Automatic™
– TorqShift® 5-speed automatic (Chassis Cabs)

 

OK, let's try and clear this up. Dodge was compliant to the 2010 standards in 2007! I read somewhere that they should be god thru 2012 but can't find the source again. Not that sources can't be wrong.
GM and Ford weren't even compliant in 2010!! Meaning the new engines and engine make-over's are to be compliant for the new 2010 standards that take effect some time this year.

Both GM and Ford are forced to use Urea to meet these standards.

Basically Dodge spent some bucks up front and this has actually pushed the price of their trucks down in 2010 and beyond for a while. The r&d for the engine was already done. They just did a makeover for 2010'.

Ford and GM are not only doing makeovers but changes under the hood as well.


No one is exempt from the new diesel regs on the street!!!!

 

That's not my question. My question is if they are(according to you) good til 2012 then why did the government give them a stay on emissions for another year? There is no logical reason for them to do so if Dodge is already compliant.

You might be correct in that they are already compliant, but why would they have an exemption from being compliant for another year if they are already indeed compliant?

 

I don't understand. No stay. No exemptions.

Dodge just met the standard years early. All this meant was that they met the standard. In other words an 07' Dodge met the 2010 standard.

For instance my 2009 Ford does not meet the new standards.

I'm lost.......I hope this helps. My only real point was that Dodge isn't using Urea.

 

Someone must have said something about Dodge getting a stay on emission compliance.

Even though it is not needed. I think that's tex25025's issue.

 

That's exactly my issue. Why was there an exemption given when it wasn't needed, unless there is something going on in the back ground that isn't exactly pertaining to emissions in of itself and that was the reason they got the stay.

I got this from someone that is usually pretty accurate in their dodge info(I made this acquitance when I owned a 5.9 for a couple of yrs). Now the info could be wrong, I would just have a hard to believing that given past info that I've gotten from him related to those engines.

 

Before we all get too nostolgic...
My '89 7.3IDI non turbo engine lasted a long time, but did have glow plug issues, GPR control issues, and don't forget Ford's failure to remind us that the coolant needed SCA's which eventually led to block porosity. Oh ya, and the crappy injection pump that only lasted about 100k before it would leak and overfuel.

Then my '01 E350 7.3L fairly mature Powerstroke did have the crappy glow plug wires running thru the valve cover gasket... and I think I had a turbo oil leak...

My '06 6.0L has been great EXCEPT the dang use of high pressure oil to fire the injectors... that sure was a stupid design or poorly executed.

And wasn't it just a year or two ago I was paying $4.50 gal for diesel, maybe a buck more than gasoline?


So, I am done, and back to a 2011 low powered but hopefully bombproof 6.2L gasser.