Gm Out Of Business Soon
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Originally Posted by captchas
chevy dosnot offer the 8.1.
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Originally Posted by aketay
This has been the most entertaining post I have read in a while. Considering that both Ford and GM have deep ties in in the US Defence Dept., I doubt that either on will go out of business soon. These companies make more than autos and are very well diversified. Dodge/Chrysler has the deep pocket of Mercedes, a German company that I cannot even see as one of the top 5 globally. I think the global order is: GM, Toyota, Ford, VW and ?? Still in all, interesting read. Buy the way, I have a GMC truck, VW Jetta TDI and a Honda RC51 Superbike. Flame suit on!
Again quality is personal oreference.
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Originally Posted by captchas
over the 3 years i owned a dodge p/u i have heard from to many people about daimler wanting to dump chrysler because it was costing corperate to much to increase sales, as to quality coming down from mb i first hand can say wrong!did any one hear of electrical problems before daimler? did any one have trans problems before a few maybe, the torqe flite was solid. ball joints?oil consumption? brakes?springs?
the dakota i turned in as down payment for a 05 ford in 70k the 4.7 v8 used oil 1 qt per 600 miles unless i used 20w50 then 1 in 800, dealers answer normal., trans never shifted correctly dealers answer no problem found it failed at 45k , brakes every 17k could not even cut the rotors they would warp so badly, ball joints dealers answer they are with in specs change them front end would be stable again but 3 sets in 70k whats wrong here. ntshw site possible recall coming for balljoints. electrical problems way to many, broken torsion bars 1. rear springs failing broken main leave 2. shocks 2 sets of replacments, steering rack 1 replacment for grinding noises and i can go on. no one can tell me dodge is so great, cummins i have have not had any personal good luck with them."hd truck 855-400hp and marine 903t's" but they have a good name and people buy them run them correctly and they do run forever.
ford still offers us gas nuts a 5.4 and v10 option, gmc offers6.0 and a 8.1 liter option chevy dosnot offer the 8.1. dodge 4.7 v8 or 5.7 hemi no more v10 unless you have 60k for the hot rod 2x4,
my fords never needed a tow truck and always went 200k before i traded up, never needed big repair bills . yes i am died in the will ford but i also race a chevy 502 powered boat. this mechanics veiw is ford and gm still build better at least immind and pocket.
the dakota i turned in as down payment for a 05 ford in 70k the 4.7 v8 used oil 1 qt per 600 miles unless i used 20w50 then 1 in 800, dealers answer normal., trans never shifted correctly dealers answer no problem found it failed at 45k , brakes every 17k could not even cut the rotors they would warp so badly, ball joints dealers answer they are with in specs change them front end would be stable again but 3 sets in 70k whats wrong here. ntshw site possible recall coming for balljoints. electrical problems way to many, broken torsion bars 1. rear springs failing broken main leave 2. shocks 2 sets of replacments, steering rack 1 replacment for grinding noises and i can go on. no one can tell me dodge is so great, cummins i have have not had any personal good luck with them."hd truck 855-400hp and marine 903t's" but they have a good name and people buy them run them correctly and they do run forever.
ford still offers us gas nuts a 5.4 and v10 option, gmc offers6.0 and a 8.1 liter option chevy dosnot offer the 8.1. dodge 4.7 v8 or 5.7 hemi no more v10 unless you have 60k for the hot rod 2x4,
my fords never needed a tow truck and always went 200k before i traded up, never needed big repair bills . yes i am died in the will ford but i also race a chevy 502 powered boat. this mechanics veiw is ford and gm still build better at least immind and pocket.
Why the heck do you think Dodge dropped the 8.0 V10??? Maybe because it wasn't selling. Believe me I know first hand, people take the Cummins before they take the V10. A company has to maintain something called, average fuel, if I remeber it correctly. With the 5.7L HEMI being introduced and the new 8.3L V10 comming in for the Viper, it would be ridiculous for Dodge to keep the 8.0 V10.
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i was just being funny about the gm/microsoft thing, but seriously, first impressions do last. in '86 dad bought a brand-new 2wd F250 with the 6.9 diesel and had so many problems he wont consider another one. we've been looking to replace the farm pickup, and i sent him a few ads, 2 were diesels and he wouldnt even consider them even though one was equiped with a nice dump bed and plow kit. now im sure some have had no problems with the 6.9 but the one we has was total junk. im surprized he even stayed with ford after that, it spent almost as much time hooked to a wrecker as it did going down the road under its own power. this has been an entertaining thread though. Dave.
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Originally Posted by Tim Lamkin
The DSB's are mostly in the early years, only one 05 that I know of, the 04 year has been cut tremendously in the DSB/Buy back.... I read all of what is going through the 6.0 forum. If you have actual numbers please post and give source.
Your last sorce was dated August 25, 2003...
are these statistics your opinion
Your last sorce was dated August 25, 2003...
are these statistics your opinionNot an opinion. Just realistic. I still read of a dsb every week.
I cannot tell you how many dodge or chevy buys back. I can tell you reuters aint writing about it. So it must be in line with national norms.
Weird. Wont let me link something. Goes astray.
If you are familiar with the search function type in dsb or buyback. Still a lot of talk about em.
The thing that really scares me. A lot of the guys with buybacks. There replacements arent up to snuff either.
I dont say much negative about the 6.0. Im not saying its a piece. Just pointing out there were severe problems and not all of them were resolved. Now they get to cut teeth on a new engine in another year and a half. Good luck. The powerstroke isnt known for good launches. 95,97,99,03. Will history repeat itself. I think so. Batting 0 for 4. Id bet on it.
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at least i don't have to drive a ALLPAR anymore if i had not been i would have had almost 9 grand more as a down payment on my 250 sc ACORDING to my receipts for the NO PROBLEM FOUND repairs that where 100 % nessary to correct the problems . sorry but i have bled ford blue for 42 years
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Now your feeding me more crap. Everyone here who knows me knows I am a fan of all cars, not Ford, Dodge, or GM alone. This is Ford-trucks as you said, not bash everything but Ford because it doesn't have a blue oval. I have no problems with Ford, just the claims and statements that you have made in this thread have for the most part BS all around. Because I call you on that it doesn't mean I am anti-Ford and Pro-Mopar. Ya I bet you got 2 more 1500 HEMIs today, how many Vipers did you get in the last week? 2 or 3? Thats total bull. We probably don't even get 2 HEMI trade ins per dya and we are one of the biggest Chrysler dealers in Canada. I know abot the allpar.com forums. I am a member there. Does that mean I hate Ford? Not at all. It means I like more than one brand alone, and there is nothing wrong with tht. And up untill now I have not bashed Ford, what have I done wrong CAPTCHAS? Just because I give other auto makers credit I all of a sudden don't belong here?
78Explorer.
Im pretty sure that the Viper is an exotic car, not a sports car. I'll check on it and report back soon.
78Explorer.
Im pretty sure that the Viper is an exotic car, not a sports car. I'll check on it and report back soon.
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Originally Posted by Musclecar_Fan
...78Explorer.
Im pretty sure that the Viper is an exotic car, not a sports car. I'll check on it and report back soon.
Im pretty sure that the Viper is an exotic car, not a sports car. I'll check on it and report back soon.
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Originally Posted by Musclecar_Fan
Top 5 what globally? I think that they make better cars then all the big 3, and most Jap automakers. Mrecedes is unmatched in overall quality. They rank up there in the top three, IMO.
Again quality is personal oreference.
Again quality is personal oreference.
Question for you musclecar fan... the only 2 American "supercars" are the Saleen S7 and Ford GT40 correct? does exotic mean the same thing as supercar?
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mootmeddler.
Thankyou for clearing that up with me. Mercedes isn't in the top 5 on a global market in sales at all in this case. I thought we were talking about top manufacturer and their products, in which case I would put Mercedes in the top 5.
Thankyou for clearing that up with me. Mercedes isn't in the top 5 on a global market in sales at all in this case. I thought we were talking about top manufacturer and their products, in which case I would put Mercedes in the top 5.
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MEGALODON, Ford wouldn't need a government handout if they had another 500 trucks bought back because of a bad issue, no matter how bad you like to pretend that the 6.0 introduction hurt Ford, it wasn't that bad, nobody else makes a truck and America obviously feels the exact same way I do.
It was that bad. Deny it if that is your wish. Every new product goes through it's teething issues - especially something so complex as a whole new turbo charged diesel engine. But teething issues are just that - teething issues. Usually so few reported problems, that most consumers never know there ever was a problem. The 6.0 had so many problems it gained a reputation all it's own. Very similar to Dodge automatic transmissions. Just as many people will not buy a Dodge for a bad experience with a transmission, I am positive there are people who will not buy a Ford because of experiences like the 6.0PSD. Now the 6.0 is for the most part rock solid. You see them everywhere. BUT....the minute someone mentions a recent problem,
everyone else thinks back to 2003 and they hold their breath - especially those considering the purchase of a new diesel truck. It does not matter
that Ford only bought back 500 trucks. Reputation is what matters.
Cummins is rock solid - that's reputation - deny that also if you wish.
IF GM did put the Cummins in their popular Silverado/Sierra line AND IF Ford was dumb enough to make a mess with the 6.4 twin turbo like the early 6.0 went - they would need life support.
MEGALODON, Ford wouldn't need a government handout if they had another 500 trucks bought back because of a bad issue, no matter how bad you like to pretend that the 6.0 introduction hurt Ford, it wasn't that bad, nobody else makes a truck and America obviously feels the exact same way I do.
It was that bad. Deny it if that is your wish. Every new product goes through it's teething issues - especially something so complex as a whole new turbo charged diesel engine. But teething issues are just that - teething issues. Usually so few reported problems, that most consumers never know there ever was a problem. The 6.0 had so many problems it gained a reputation all it's own. Very similar to Dodge automatic transmissions. Just as many people will not buy a Dodge for a bad experience with a transmission, I am positive there are people who will not buy a Ford because of experiences like the 6.0PSD. Now the 6.0 is for the most part rock solid. You see them everywhere. BUT....the minute someone mentions a recent problem,
everyone else thinks back to 2003 and they hold their breath - especially those considering the purchase of a new diesel truck. It does not matter
that Ford only bought back 500 trucks. Reputation is what matters.
Cummins is rock solid - that's reputation - deny that also if you wish.
IF GM did put the Cummins in their popular Silverado/Sierra line AND IF Ford was dumb enough to make a mess with the 6.4 twin turbo like the early 6.0 went - they would need life support.
http://www.fordforums.com/t-54692.html
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i have the receipts for the repairs to my truck you work at a mopar dealer in canada and have not seen what i see in new jersey usa , yes we did get 2 1500 hemis today both from the same man and when i asked why he would not talk about it just said no comment, the 3500 cummins i would love to know why as it only had 20k on it total of mopar trades includes neons , mini vans , jeeps . dorangos dakotas and p/u's. maybe this local dodge dealer is a rip off but no problem found when there is a problem does not go over well with me esp. when some one proves it so. like the ball joints the hunter rep proved it on the rack, shocks when they came off after the dealer said no problem when held in the mounted way and pulled out they fell back down under their own weight gas shocks? they just did not work any more.i can keep going on
the dakota i should have gone lemon law but did not as i liked the way it looked hated the looks of the 150 and still do. i have had 3 mopars all bad luck vehicles that is why i have such a bad taste for mopar.my best vechicle was a 1980 ih scout 2 diesel all my fords have been long trusted easy on the pocket runers
the dakota i should have gone lemon law but did not as i liked the way it looked hated the looks of the 150 and still do. i have had 3 mopars all bad luck vehicles that is why i have such a bad taste for mopar.my best vechicle was a 1980 ih scout 2 diesel all my fords have been long trusted easy on the pocket runers