2017 SRW turning circle increased a little (per Ford chat)
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2017 SRW turning circle increased a little (per Ford chat)
Here is my question about turning circle after my questions on GVWR (posted in another thread)
Bill says:
I'm also very interested in the turning circle of the 176" and 160" 4x4 SRW if you happen to have that handy.
Shelby says:
I'm checking into this now.
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Shelby says:
The 57.8 ft. (Curb-to-Curb) and 59.7ft. (Wall-to-Wall) is exclusive to the 176" SRW and DRW; this is the 8' box.
Shelby says:
The 53.0 ft (Curb-to-Curb) and 54.9 ft. (Wall-to-Wall) is unique to the 160" WB; this is the 6.75' box.
Shelby says:
Is there anything else I can help you with?
Bill says:
OK. since you asked... F450 pickup turning circle?
Shelby says:
The F-450 Pickup is unique to DRW and the 176" WB. This model has a turning diameter of 50.4 ft. (Curb-to-Curb) and 52.5 ft. (Wall-to-Wall).
Bill says:
I'm also very interested in the turning circle of the 176" and 160" 4x4 SRW if you happen to have that handy.
Shelby says:
I'm checking into this now.
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Shelby says:
The 57.8 ft. (Curb-to-Curb) and 59.7ft. (Wall-to-Wall) is exclusive to the 176" SRW and DRW; this is the 8' box.
Shelby says:
The 53.0 ft (Curb-to-Curb) and 54.9 ft. (Wall-to-Wall) is unique to the 160" WB; this is the 6.75' box.
Shelby says:
Is there anything else I can help you with?
Bill says:
OK. since you asked... F450 pickup turning circle?
Shelby says:
The F-450 Pickup is unique to DRW and the 176" WB. This model has a turning diameter of 50.4 ft. (Curb-to-Curb) and 52.5 ft. (Wall-to-Wall).
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I was really looking forward to a SRW long bed. With a 60' turning circle and only 11,500 GVWR, I need to consider the Ram 3500 srw and the F450 again.
I expect the F450 to weigh around 8700 lbs, which gives a 5300 lb payload with the 14,000 gvwr.
I expect the F450 to weigh around 8700 lbs, which gives a 5300 lb payload with the 14,000 gvwr.
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Is there a reason you're so hung up on GVWR. I'd run my 2005 F150 2000 pounds over GVWR before I'd consider running a dodge at GVWR. I'm not sure what the rating on my F150 is, but I've had 2500 pounds of wild game quarters piled in the bed with another 500 pounds of gear, while towing a 9800 pound trailer bumper tow for 500 miles through wicked mountains and it handled it like a champ.
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With the marketing pressure to beat the competitors on all key performance parameters, I figure there must be a good engineering reason to allow the Ram to have a higher GVWR (thus payload). If the SRW system could really handle a 12,300+ GVWR, why wouldn'tthey rate it accordingly? I will have around 12,100# on my truck wheels towing.
I just want my family and others on the road to be safe when towing 15K. I really want a SRW F350, so I'd appreciate thoughts on why it's OK to exceed GVWR. Even at 12,100#, I'd be below tire and axle ratings.
I understand the arbitrary nature of the 14k DRW rating to keep a class 3 rating, but why 11,500? I'm still holding a glimmer of hope that the info I got was wrong or the build 2 trucks will be rated higher.
I just want my family and others on the road to be safe when towing 15K. I really want a SRW F350, so I'd appreciate thoughts on why it's OK to exceed GVWR. Even at 12,100#, I'd be below tire and axle ratings.
I understand the arbitrary nature of the 14k DRW rating to keep a class 3 rating, but why 11,500? I'm still holding a glimmer of hope that the info I got was wrong or the build 2 trucks will be rated higher.
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When I ordered an F-350 DRW, I did not expect the turning radius to be very good...so I'm not concerned by this.
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Can you provide some insight on why you chose a F350 DRW when the F450's turning radius is so much better? Other than the cost difference, is there any disadvantage of the F450 that you know of?
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2009KR, have you actually weighed the 5ver you intend to pull or are you just going by the old 20% estimate? My RV is between 17.5k and 19.5k depending on how the garage is loaded and I'm under on my SRW's GVWR, GAWR, and tire ratings. So, while the 20% thing is a good place to start, it's not a sure thing by any means.
As to negatives on a 450, some don't want to deal with buying a second set of winter tires and wheels. I am going to do just that so it's a non issue for me and the long life and stability while towing of the 19.5 commercial truck tires is well worth the additional cost of the second set for me. Plus, whenever I'm running them, I'm not running my summer set so in likelyhood, I'll never need a new set of tires in the length of time I own the truck...
As to negatives on a 450, some don't want to deal with buying a second set of winter tires and wheels. I am going to do just that so it's a non issue for me and the long life and stability while towing of the 19.5 commercial truck tires is well worth the additional cost of the second set for me. Plus, whenever I'm running them, I'm not running my summer set so in likelyhood, I'll never need a new set of tires in the length of time I own the truck...
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The spec for the camper says 2K pin dry. With the garage up front and most of the accessories up front, I was figuring 2.5K - 3K. That also compensates for 250# of firewood that I normally throw in the back.
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Or are you referring to the storage under the bedroom up front as the garage?
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Is there a reason you're so hung up on GVWR. I'd run my 2005 F150 2000 pounds over GVWR before I'd consider running a dodge at GVWR. I'm not sure what the rating on my F150 is, but I've had 2500 pounds of wild game quarters piled in the bed with another 500 pounds of gear, while towing a 9800 pound trailer bumper tow for 500 miles through wicked mountains and it handled it like a champ.
Many (including me), don't want to deal with legal issues in an accident if we are overweight on LEGAL #'s, since that is all the courts and lawyers care about.
Legal #'s are there for a reason. If something happens, you can't claim, but the truck can handle more. Some are willing to let that slide, and some aren't willing to risk that (which essentially means risking everything else you have)
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Primary reason is that I live in a small city and turning radius will rarely every be an issue. Other than that, I do highway driving and towing...again, rarely an issue.
450 vs 350? The 450 costs more to purchase, more to register, more to insure, more to replace tires, and with 4.30 gears only, it gets worse fuel economy. Although there is controversy on this topic, I also believe with a heavier rear axle and higher pressure tires, it will ride less well. Finally, I don't need the 450's capability.
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At your high estimate you will be at the current SRW 350's weight ratings. You would be under the new one's even if it remains 11.5k. My truck with a full tank of fuel, hitch in, and family in weighs 8500 so it has 3k available. The new ones will weigh less but will hold a bit more fuel so apples to apples you will have about 3100-3200# available. That said, I'm not convinced that with all the other ratings and components changed that the GVWR will remain the same. If it does tough, you'd still be fine with a SRW...