Check out 4btswaps.com, they deal with swapping Cummins engines into all sorts of things - and most commonly, where a Powerstroke used to sit. I don't know about the older trucks, but for the '99+ Super Duty a Cummins is nearly a bolt in. Every single piece you need is available for sale, and it's not as expensive as you might think.

Let's be honest, people just don't swap powerstrokes. There is a reason for this.

There are also two different electronic versions of the engine. I think it's 98-2002 Dodges that have what you want. They are 24v and electronic. After that they went common rail, and it gets more expensive, more complicated.

 

The 12 valve also works great and takes less wiring.

Check out Destroked or give them a call. They know their stuff.

 

Which still begs the question, by the time all is said and done (if it ever is all done) swapping a Cummins engine in, how much money has been spent versus what it would've cost to repair your existing Powerstroke?


EDIT: And let's not forget the quality of the end product being a vehicle that will potentially have gremlins needing constant repair.

 

Go back and read the thread, there is no existing Powerstroke. Not everything is about which option is the cheapest. That's why we have things like leather seats.

Isn't that the dictionary definition of "Powerstroke"?

I guarantee a Powerstroke would not just bolt right in place of a gas engine without giving an issue or two itself.

 

F357 you are correct, currently I have a dead 7.5l or 460ci . While searching for another 7.5l I realized that it would be cheaper to buy a whole truck and take what I need since the trans was in need of a rebuild and I wanted to trash the TTB for a D60. After buying a parts truck ( 95 F350 XLT CC 4X4 Centurion w/ 179,000mi original ) with a 7.5l, E4OD, D60 and drove it 125mi home, decided to keep it also. So now my 94 F250 HD Extended Cab 4x4 7.5l will be a builder/hauler. The most important upgrade (to me) is putting D60 up front (don't know why ford didn't allow for optional special order in 250 extended cab. I tried in 1995 and dealer I couldn't order it) and 4in lift and custom front bumper with winch/brush guard. So either way I go with engine, 7.5l or 7.3l will require donor truck or Cummins 12V will require fabrication.

 

there is no fabrication involved with putting a powerstroke, in. it is a direct bolt in engine. all you will need ot do is unbolt the parts from the donor truck, and bolt them into the gas truck.

and as far as the powerstroke or IDI engines not lasting, i guess all the people on this forum that have untouched engines with over 500,000 miles on them are lying just like the cummins kool aid drinkers that swear their turds get 45 mpg while making 800 hp, rite?
a properly maintained navastar diesel will easily do anything a gold plated cummins will.

 

There is no fabrication involved with putting a Cummins in either. It would be the same amount of work. All of the motor mounts and such are readily available. If you think you are going to swap any engine from any truck without an issue or a gremlin here or there, I've got bad news for you.

It's not that they don't last, it's that they require constant maintenance and parts that a Cummins does not. A Cummins has no high pressure oil system to leak or fail. A Cummins only has six injectors, and they cost about $400 for a set. A powerstroke has eight $150 injectors to go bad. Compare trying to replace a Powerstroke HPOP to a Cummins IP, the Ford is much, much more involved and expensive. Cummins has only one head/head gasket to fail. If you choose the right Cummins, it has no electronics or emissions components to fail. A Cummins has no glow plugs to fail and starts much better in cold weather. And it gets better fuel mileage.

It's not a brand loyalty thing, the Cummins engine just has fewer moving parts to fail. The parts that are known to fail, like the injector pump, are easier and cheaper to replace.

 

i have a little over 494,000 miles on my 88. 3 injector pumps and 3 sets of injectors. one alternator, one water pump, 2 sets of glow plugs, 3 starters, one transmission, one transfer case.
the other 6 trucks are all still running, all have over 300,000 miles on them, and never been opened up either.
my 02 has 189,000 on it. so far one set of fuel lines, and 3 glow plug relays.
the "constant maintenance on parts a cummins does not need" is pure BS.
and they are not money pits that need constant repair either.

just look around the diesels forums and you will see the only trucks that need "constant maintenance" are the ones that are highly modified, just like any other modified engine.

and i am not buying the cheaper parts/better fuel mileage thing either.
mechanical 5.9- 7.3 IDI non turbo.
7.3 injectors are $45 each. injector pumps are around $400, and need replacing around 150k miles.
the non turbo 7.3 makes 30 hp more than the 5.9 and make more torque too. it also gets better fuel mileage, and will outpull it all day long, up hill, down hill, and on flat surfaces.
i have been around these engines for a long, long time. and have never seen a stock cumming engine that could hold a candle to any diesel engine ever offered in a ford pickup. even the original 6.9 diesel outperformed the stock 5.9.
now whey you start talking about diesel engines over 10 liters in size, the cummins is a performer. but those baby diesels put in the dodge pickups are best left in agricultural applications where they were originally designed for.

 

I don't care how you look at it, the Cummins engine is simpler, more reliable, and cheaper to maintain. Parts it uses less parts, and the parts that it does use are cheaper and easier to replace. These are facts. It has nothing to do with brand loyalty or how many miles one guy on the internet got. Even Ford got rid of the hydraulic injectors after the 6.0.

Powerstrokes are better at making high end power and spinning fast. I don't think this guy is trying to race or make a high HP motor. They are more complicated, have many more moving parts that cost more, have emissions equipment, and get worse fuel mileage.

That's not really a good life for your injectors or pumps. Each time you replaced them you spent about double what it would have cost on a Cummins motor. And they don't have glow plugs at all.

If he was asking "should I buy a Dodge truck with a Cummins engine, or a Ford truck with a Navistar engine?" I would tell him to buy the Ford and drive it that way. Since he's going to be doing the swap anyway, the Cummins is a no brainer. It also fits REALLY nice in an engine bay designed for a V8 due to how narrow the motor is, it gives you lots of room for whatever you want. It is no easier to bolt a Powerstroke into his truck than a Cummins.

Let's not forget that Ford uses Cummins engines on the bigger trucks too, the Cummins is just as much of a "Ford engine" as the Powerstroke is.

 

^Perfectly said.

 

Funny you should say that. I'm just the opposite. If you want a small diesel, get a Cummins. For big diesels, a Cat will chew up any Cummins and spit it out the tail pipe.

 

I could not agree more. I have run Cats and Cummins in the big trucks. Cats are quieter, smoother and pull through the whole rpm. Also, unless it is some off highway screaming monster ( remember Detroit Diesels lol), they are all Inline 6's and for a reason. Strength, reliability and less opposing forces.

 

As for maintenance, besides the normal routine ( oil, filters ect. ) diesels are just breaking in at 400k-500k. If they continuously require parts that are not part of the routine maintenance, then something is wrong, no matter who makes it. When I was a kid I was Ford only, my dad preferred Ford and his dad. Then I realized manufacturer has there good models and bad. I myself stay away from any Ford truck 80-85. Weak frames, cheap interior, TTB, 351M/400. Chevrolet /GMC also has had good/bad ( remember sub-grade body metal 73-76 ? ) and the 6.2/6.5 diesels ( not too bad for basically a beefed up 350 block ). As for buying a truck newer than 1998 ? Dodge with the Cummins. Super Duty's feal nose heavy and a stock Chevrolet 4x4 doesn't have enough ground clearance to drive over anything more than a ruff driveway. Although a Cummins powered Allison trans Ford would be sweet

 

Also I am not for pissing match on which engine is better. My original post was for threads on a Cummins swap into a Ford.

 

really? cat has not made an engine for on road use in over 5 years.