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wildstang 07-29-2010 09:24 AM

identifying model of transfer case
 
Is there a number cast into the casing or a tag that would tell me the model of it? If so where would it be found? Thanks.

redman84 07-29-2010 10:02 AM

There's a tag on the case just like a differential tag. It will have it on there. Really though you probably have either a Borg Warner 1356 or a Borg Warner 4407. You can tell quickly by just looking. The 1356 has a slip yoke meaning that the rear driveshaft just slides up into it. The 4407 has a short shaft with a flange on it and the rear DS has a flange as well that will bolt up to it.

wildstang 07-29-2010 11:34 AM

thank you very much, I will go and look.

89ford73 07-29-2010 03:35 PM

hey redman, did u think of a price on that e40d?

wildstang 07-30-2010 12:07 PM

Mine is a 4407.

redman84 07-30-2010 12:44 PM

I figured being a 96 and all. The internals are essentially the same. The case is beefier and the rear DS hookup is a little better than the slip yoke style. Seems like I've heard of them leaking.

Diesel_Brad 09-11-2010 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by redman84 (Post 9161850)
There's a tag on the case just like a differential tag. It will have it on there. Really though you probably have either a Borg Warner 1356 or a Borg Warner 4407. You can tell quickly by just looking. The 1356 has a slip yoke meaning that the rear driveshaft just slides up into it. The 4407 has a short shaft with a flange on it and the rear DS has a flange as well that will bolt up to it.

I have a 1356 with a flange on the back of my 96 not a slip yolk

wildstang 09-11-2010 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by Diesel_Brad (Post 9316370)
I have a 1356 with a flange on the back of my 96 not a slip yolk

Does that have the pto option /cover on it?

DZL JIM 09-12-2010 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Diesel_Brad (Post 9316370)
I have a 1356 with a flange on the back of my 96 not a slip yolk

I don't think so.
The case is different to hold the slip seal vs flange.
They are 2 different units.

:-huh

Diesel_Brad 09-12-2010 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by wildstang (Post 9317490)
Does that have the pto option /cover on it?

No. no pto covers

Diesel_Brad 09-12-2010 07:36 AM

So is the 4407 a better t-case than the 1356?

DRRXR 09-12-2010 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by wildstang (Post 9161754)
Is there a number cast into the casing or a tag that would tell me the model of it? If so where would it be found? Thanks.

I will do some checking in my cat for some more info and then repost

Update
Could not find much other than some cases had id tags attached and some used stick on bar codes

BW1356 FULL SIZE BRONCO(F-150/250) 1987-96
BW4407F F250/350 1996-98

BW4406F F-150/250/EXPEDITION, NAVIGATOR 1997-UP

AXLE INFO- http://lelandbrake.com/images/catalog/006-011.pdf

wildstang 09-12-2010 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by DRRXR (Post 9319713)
I will do some checking in my cat for some more info and then repost

Update
Could not find much other than some cases had id tags attached and some used stick on bar codes

BW1356 FULL SIZE BRONCO(F-150/250) 1987-96
BW4407F F250/350 1996-98

BW4406F F-150/250/EXPEDITION, NAVIGATOR 1997-UP

AXLE INFO- http://lelandbrake.com/images/catalog/006-011.pdf

Probably asking the impossible question but did the 4407 come with and without the pto option and would the output shafts be the same diameter?

I would like a definite answer, if possible, if the 350 yoke would fit the 250 shaft. Some have said it would.

DZL JIM 09-13-2010 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by wildstang (Post 9322010)
I would like a definite answer, if possible, if the 350 yoke would fit the 250 shaft. Some have said it would.

If you're talking about the front yoke, yes, you need the yoke for a 350 drive shaft, it's the same spline and it will bolt right on. They are very hard to come by.

wildstang 09-13-2010 07:07 AM

In another thread on the D60 swap I have asked the same type questions and someone said I need to get the yoke from a f350 that had an e4od like mine and they were only in 96-97 years, because the standard trans used a different transfer case. I bought one from a guy and he said it was from a 97 f350 dually that had the pto cover on the case, but I am not sure if that was a standard trans, will need to ask. If that is true then the standard trans transfer case has a smaller out put shaft for the 4x4.

DRRXR 09-13-2010 08:39 AM

Partial Answer
 
[Ouote] question but did the 4407 come with and without the pto option [.Ouote]
http://kingomatic.com/documents/WebT...ansferCase.pdf

wildstang 09-13-2010 08:58 AM

Thank you DRRXR for the reference chart. The only odd thing with it is there is nother listed for 95 and older F350.

The guy I bought the first one through says he just pulled three others and, from auto and standard trans, and say they all look like the one he sent. I emailed him back to make sure they were 96-97 and if the tags were on them to see if they said 4407. Not sure if this makes a difference or not but my truck has the heavier weight rated ttp 50.

DRRXR 09-13-2010 09:17 AM

Jim
I cant find squat either on a pre 96

Still lookin though

wildstang 09-13-2010 09:20 AM

Wouldn't surprise me if ford threw some odd ball T case into my truck. Is there a place that would say what the output shaft diameter should be? Or if the same for the 250/350? Very perplexing.:confused:

DRRXR 09-13-2010 09:29 AM

food for thought
 

Originally Posted by wildstang (Post 9323598)
Wouldn't surprise me if ford threw some odd ball T case into my truck. Is there a place that would say what the output shaft diameter should be? Or if the same for the 250/350? Very perplexing.:confused:

Intersting
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...the-water.html

Even more
http://www.powerstrokenation.com/for...3996&showall=1

wildstang 09-13-2010 09:35 AM

Funny, sounds like my situation, well not really funny.

Dave Sponaugle 09-13-2010 08:35 PM

I was looking at this a couple days ago.

4407F was used in the 250 and 350, but only behind the E4OD and only in 96 and 97.

Yokes seem to be impossible to get.

MustangMatt96GT 09-13-2010 09:13 PM

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I just got a 1356 BW for free!! Also a ZF5 4x4 tranny...

the BW has a slip in rear yoke, but on that yoke, the drive shaft bolts to...

Attachment 203498 That yoke slides in and out and the drive shaft bolts to it....

Diesel_Brad 09-14-2010 04:25 AM

Mustangmat. They are talking about the front drive shaft/ yolk

MustangMatt96GT 09-14-2010 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Diesel_Brad (Post 9327189)
Mustangmat. They are talking about the front drive shaft/ yolk

that case I have does not have a slip in the front...

Can you tell what it is?

DZL JIM 09-15-2010 06:19 AM

That chart linked above is not totally acurate. I had a '95 F-350 with a 1356.

Matt, it's a 1356, slip in rear yoke.

wildstang 09-15-2010 07:44 AM

Ford seems inconsistent also. They just pull whatever fits that they have in the bin.

foxracing0934 04-11-2014 03:08 PM

Kinda resurrecting a dead horse here. But just some more info for anyone needing it. My 97 was auto with 4407 tcase, no slip yoke front or rear, and I swaped to a hand shaker last year. The two went together without a hitch, and I've been beatin the crap outta it since.


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