My sisters suv cranks good but will not fire over. she bought a new gas filter but Iam having a little trouble locating where it goes. Thanks for any help.



Brother Les

 

Inside the framerail beneath the driver's door

 

Thank-you, friend. I was looking around the tank and with the cold weather. I did not want to stay out there for hours looking for it.


Brother Les

 

have fun, this is about the worst location for a filter i have ever seen. real tight.

 

Hey Steve, I see that you have a Super Duty Crew Cab 2001. I have one also, F-250 7.3 Diesel and a F-150 '91, inline 6. (that's why I came to this 'site', good advise for my babies)

I am having a little trouble getting the gas lines off of the Explorer. I raised the driver side a little and was able to get to the filter fairly easily. It has a clip on each side of the filter that snaps around the line on each side of where the filter goes into the gas line. I got the two clips off of each side of the filter very easily. I just could not for the life of me pull the filter out of the gas lines. I was able to spin the filter around and around, but could not pull it straight out of either side. I have a comlete shop manuel for my ' 91 F-150 and looked at that. The F-150 manuel showed a 'clip' that pushes sideways into (not outside of) the gasline from the side. The new filter for the Explorer had these same clips and I wondered what they went to as I did not (think) I saw any clips going into the side of the lines while I was under the Explorer. By this time it was dark outside and I gave u for the day. What say my Ford Friends.

Thank-you for any suggestions. The F-150 manuel said to use 'hands only' when pulling the filter out of the gasline. I do not want to make an easy job worse by messing up the metal couplings.



Brother Les

 

the c-clip type thing is just a retainer. there is also a circular set of teeth inside the gas line that grips onto the gas filter tube. you need to go to Auto Zone or something like that and get the "tool". this is a plastic or aluminum clip on tube that surrounds the filter tube and pushes into the gas line and pushes the teeth up and away. while holidng it in, you pull the gas line off the filter... good 3 hand job.

 

Thanks steve, I have 'decide' (because I could not get the filter off) that my sisters starting problem must be 'something else' besides the filter. Itis not getting any gas to the intake at all. The car cranks over really good. How do I check the fuses and pump? I don't want to a lot of work on it that I dont' need to. I put an OBD scanner on it and it says 'lean fuel'...ie. no gas. any suggestions on have to get this started


Thanks
Brother Les

 

You should be able to hear the fuel pump energize when you turn the key to on. Might have to get your ear close to the gas cap while someone else turns the key. Should hear a "whirl" for about 3 seconds--that's the in tank fuel pump energizing. If you don't hear it, then you've probably got a dead fuel pump.

Sometimes, you can take a rubber hammer and bong the bottom of the fuel tank. The vibration shakes the pump enough to get past the short. Might prove the failure, but its a temporary fix. May still have to drop the tank.

 

I am not hearing the fuel pump being activated. I was looking at the fuses box under the hood and the book (to me) is not all that clear and which fuse is the fuel pump and which is the power window..ect. There are the small 'push pin' (double prong) fusesand the larger 'push pin' (double prong)fuses and then the inch X inch square Black 'relays'. The owners manuel seems to indicate the the #9 small prong fuse is the 'fuel relay'. I thought that it should have one of the black square ones for the fuel 'relay'? Any diograms on which is really which?


It has been pouring down rain for several days and I have run the battery down.So I am not in a good frame of mind on working on this thing. I do not hear the the fuel pump ingauge, so that helps me narrow things down alot. Thanks for the posts and I will get back tomorrow.

Brother Les

 

The fuse would be correct, the relay itself should be under the hood somewhere. You should go ahead and replace that fuel filter anyway. Have you actually checked the fuse? You need to verfiy each component is series and make sure the circuits are actually getting power.

 

I pulled the fuse out and it did not look fryyed. I think that it was 20 amp...I put one in from (I think) the window motor. it was a 30amp...no change (these are the small pronged fuses). It 'coughed' really good a couple of times but did not start. By that time the battery had run down and with the rain...I had enough for one day. It was too dark in the Explorer to really look for the crash shut off switch. I could not find 'anything' under the carpets, so it must be behind the plastic to the right of the passenger side. I will get the fuel filter changed.


Thanks
Brother Les

 

The fuel pump is 'energizing', I can hear it 'power up' (whirl) when the key is turned on. I asked my sister if the gas gauge worked? it does say over 1/4. She said that it did, but I will dump a couple of gals. of gas in it tonight. I found the 'shut of' switch. It is by the passengers right foot, straight a head in the fire wall. Everything seemed right with it. I would guess that the fuel pump would not energize if the shut of switch was tripped? This is turning into a circus..at least it stopped raining and she and I are both smilin about it.

Any other Ideas or should I go back over something that I missed? I have not changed the fuel filter yet...I don't have the 'tool' yet and I refuse to get under that thing during a monsoon storm

Thanks
Brother Les

 

Bad fuel pump? Ford had problems with fuel pumps installed around 1999 - 2000

 

So, you said it was not getting any fuel to the rail. Guess you did a fuel pressure check at the rail to confirm? Anyway, if there's no fuel at the rail, then either a clogged line or a bad pump, since you said you can hear the pump energize, pretty much eliminating an electrical issue.

Before I dropped the tank though, I would be sure I did a pressure check at the rail, changed the in-line fuel filter, and checked the voltage going to the pump with a needle-type (analog) volt-ohm meter. You clip the leads to the pump circuit, then switch on the key and confirm a needle swing. That confirms lots of things on the electrical side, like the PCM is signaling for the pump to energize, the circuit is intact (no blown fuses, fuel disconnect not tripped), and the wiring is sound all the way to the pump pigtail. Once you've eliminated all that, then probably have to drop the tank and replace the pump. Not fun (especially if its full), but not that difficult.

 

Thanks gibsonj,

I will have to let my sisters Explorer sit for a week or so. Thanks for the suggestions and I will print them off and go through them later. The wife says that we are hooking up the SuperDuty to the camper and taking a SpringBreak.

I wanted to get hers running before we left, as now she will be using my car.

Thanks again and I will let you know what I find.


Brother Les