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Old Nov 12, 2021 | 01:05 PM
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Rear Axle Brake Upgrade - Compatibility Question w/ 05-07

Do the 05-07 rear brake components bolt up to our rear axles?

I sourced a complete front axle (took a while to find one that is 4.30) out of an 05-07. I finally have it all rebuilt and am getting ready to swap it in.

My rear axle has no issues, so I was wondering if I could source just the brake components to swap on instead of swapping the full axle. If it isn't that simple I guess I'll just go on the hunt for another whole axle. I tried searching the forum, but most discussions involve just swapping the entire axles or are discussions specifically related to the front axle.
 
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Old Nov 13, 2021 | 07:11 PM
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It's been a while, but I believe the axle housings changed slightly to accommodate the new brackets for the bigger brakes out on the ends. Different bolt pattern if I remember correctly...there was much talk of this in my axle swap thread.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicmike
It's been a while, but I believe the axle housings changed slightly to accommodate the new brackets for the bigger brakes out on the ends. Different bolt pattern if I remember correctly...there was much talk of this in my axle swap thread.
I've referenced your thread many times since it was originally posted. I looked again yesterday and didn't see any explicit mention of the rear brake compatibility. The rear axle rebuild was pretty early on in your thread, which I re-read, but there is a chance I missed it if it was in a later page since there was so much discussion in total.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 02:49 PM
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I asked a similar question several times across several forums, ended up having to find out for myself. As far as the 05-07 axles are concerned there isn't much different I could find.
The width of the newer axles is all in the hubs, the axle shafts themselves are identical.
When I did my swap all I changed on the rear were the anchor plates, the brakes themselves, the hubs, and everything fit just fine for me. However, when I went down to az to help a buddy with the same thing, the 10.5 on his 99 F250 did need 0.20 spacers to center the calipers over the rotors. We never did zero in on where the difference is between his truck and my 01ex. Everything measured out the same & fit up fine otherwise.
Here you can see how far out the flange is on the hub.


In this shot, I'm doing a mockup of the 05-07 caliper bracket on the stock anchor plate when I was testing things out to see what would work.
The 99-04 anchor plate positions the caliper too close to the axle centerline. the OD of the larger rotor made full contact inside the caliper.


 

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Originally Posted by callforfire
I asked a similar question several times across several forums, ended up having to find out for myself. As far as the 05-07 axles are concerned there isn't much different I could find.
The width of the newer axles is all in the hubs, the axle shafts themselves are identical.
When I did my swap all I changed on the rear were the anchor plates, the brakes themselves, the hubs, and everything fit just fine for me. However, when I went down to az to help a buddy with the same thing, the 10.5 on his 99 F250 did need 0.20 spacers to center the calipers over the rotors. We never did zero in on where the difference is between his truck and my 01ex. Everything measured out the same & fit up fine otherwise.
Here you can see how far out the flange is on the hub.


In this shot, I'm doing a mockup of the 05-07 caliper bracket on the stock anchor plate when I was testing things out to see what would work.
The 99-04 anchor plate positions the caliper too close to the axle centerline. the OD of the larger rotor made full contact inside the caliper.
Great information! Thank you very much for sharing.
 
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Yes, later in the thread...and I know it has gotten long...I posted some pics about this very question. The question centered on the 13+ brakes and if they could be retro-fitted to a set of 08-10 axles. They cannot be. The caliper bracket bolt patterns are not the same, because the part of the axle housing they bolt to changed in '13.
 
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Originally Posted by callforfire
I asked a similar question several times across several forums, ended up having to find out for myself. As far as the 05-07 axles are concerned there isn't much different I could find.
The width of the newer axles is all in the hubs, the axle shafts themselves are identical.
When I did my swap all I changed on the rear were the anchor plates, the brakes themselves, the hubs, and everything fit just fine for me. However, when I went down to az to help a buddy with the same thing, the 10.5 on his 99 F250 did need 0.20 spacers to center the calipers over the rotors. We never did zero in on where the difference is between his truck and my 01ex. Everything measured out the same & fit up fine otherwise.
Here you can see how far out the flange is on the hub.


In this shot, I'm doing a mockup of the 05-07 caliper bracket on the stock anchor plate when I was testing things out to see what would work.
The 99-04 anchor plate positions the caliper too close to the axle centerline. the OD of the larger rotor made full contact inside the caliper.

Is it possible the truck was a Early 99? 98/99 was kind of a funky year.

Great information.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2021 | 09:06 AM
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I'll have to ask if it's an early '99. I had not considered that.
The part numbers I used: The price has gone way up on these. I think I got them around $450 for both shipped.
Parking Brake Assembly - Driver's Side (LH) - Ford (8C3Z2210A)
Parking Brake Assembly - Passenger Side (RH) - Ford (8C3Z2209A)
Dorman 926-112 Parking Brake Lever (pair)
The bare anchor plates themselves appear to be a lot cheaper, but I didn't look into how much it would save to get the rest of the parts separately if at all.
There is some inconsistency with Ford on these, both of mine came from Ford but one of them, I think the driver's side, was not assembled. It was all in the same box but all of the springs, clips, & shoes were in bags.
On my friend's truck, it was the opposite side that needed assembly, if memory serves.
I have no direct knowledge of the newer axles and brakes, so I cannot speak as to why the '13 brakes wouldn't work. The parts I used to install '06 brakes on my '01 show up as the same part for '05-'16 f250 & f350.
That's not saying it will work but it does seem like it should be possible. The rotors might be a different height after the tone ring was added to the hubs? Just speculating.
 
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