Have any of you heard about a class action law suit from Sterns Law to Ford motor company for excess emissions?

 

Nope Mine passes smog here in Ca. 15

 

Just another witch hunt.

 

If diesel engines were built and programmed to meet emission rules at all operating parameters, they wouldn't run, wouldn't last, or both. Everybody cheats with their programming in order to get the engines past warranty.

 

Yep, I have. And I want no part of it. Just another damn money grab for BS.

Yardbird is dead nutz.

 

If I'm nutz, why are so many manufacturers being accused, and in VW's case, found guilty of cheating on programming? How many diesel cars are made now? OEMs couldn't keep them running long term before emissions, save for Mercedes and a few others.

About the time over the road truck engines were finally routinely making it to 1 million miles plus, the EPA rules changed, and no engine is capable of that without major after treatment replacements, EGR replacements, and many times a complete overhaul. Engines can not eat their own exhaust in quantity and live long term.

DEF, DPF, SCR, EGR, multitudes of sensors, ect... Caterpillar got out of the highway engine business after their failed attempt at EPA 2008 emissions, which almost bankrupted them. Same for Navistar and their Maxxforce engines. You can't give away a truck with an early version of those engines. Paccar also had plenty of problems with their engines due to emission components destroying them.

Detroit engines are now an American version of a European engine, instead of their Series 60 engines, probably the best overall OTR engine ever made.

Ram, GM, and Ford all use a fuel pump that self destructs if even a small amount of moisture is in the fuel, taking the injectors and many other parts with it.

Ever see smoke billowing out of a big truck going down the road? That pollution is the particulate matter burning off and spewing out the exhaust, unless the truck is an International with the EGR and after treatment system messed up again. Oh, and the trucks going 35 MPH up the interstate... That's a truck that has derated the horsepower because there is a fault code in the emissions and the horsepower has been cut back by the ECM.

I had a truck cut power by 75% a couple of weeks ago because a DEF tank level sensor went out.

I do not believe any OEM is 100% emissions compliant throughout the complete operating range. The result would create huge increases in warranty claims.

 

If I'm nutz, why are so many manufacturers being accused, and in VW's case, found guilty of cheating on programming? How many diesel cars are made now? OEMs couldn't keep them running long term before emissions, save for Mercedes and a few others.

About the time over the road truck engines were finally routinely making it to 1 million miles plus, the EPA rules changed, and no engine is capable of that without major after treatment replacements, EGR replacements, and many times a complete overhaul. Engines can not eat their own exhaust in quanity and live long term.

DEF, DPF, SCR, EGR, multitudes of sensors, ect... Caterpillar got out of the highway engine business after their failed attempt at EPA 2008 emissions, which almost bankrupted them. Same for Navistar and their Maxxforce engines. You can't give away a truck with an early version of those engines. Paccar also had plenty of problems with their engines due to emission components destroying them.

Detroit engines are now an American version of a European engine, instead of their Series 60 engines, probably the best overall OTR engine ever made.

Ram, GM, and Ford all use a fuel pump that self destructs if even a small amount of moisture is in the fuel, taking the injectors and many other parts with it.

Ever see smoke billowing out of a big truck going down the road? That pollution is the particulate matter burning off and spewing out the exhaust, unless the truck is an International with the EGR and after treatment system messed up again. Oh, and the trucks going 35 MPH up the interstate... That's a truck that has derated the horsepower because there is a fault code in the emissions and the horsepower has been cut back by the ECM.

I had a truck cut power by 75% a couple of weeks ago because a DEF tank level sensor went out.

I do not believe any OEM is 100% emissions compliant throughout the complete operating range. The result would create huge increases in warranty claims.

 

Yo yardbird... Dead nuts means spot on... That's means you hit the nail on the head. I was agreeing with you.

 

Oh, sorry about that. I'm just a country boy not familiar with that term. Please accept my apology, and thank you for setting me straight and agreeing with my first post. Now I feel like the dummy I am..lol

 

No problem. My dad always said that you're never too old to learn something new.

About the Bosch CP4.2, that's why I want a S&S DPK. I also use K100 every tank. I've been doing so since the truck was new.

I appreciate your experienced comments.

 

Only in the good ol’ USA! I can sue you for any reason, and if I lose I just pay my attorney (Maybe yours too) and walk away.
Now if it were that when I sue you for whatever Reason and lose, then I have to pay you (loser pays) the amount I was suing you for, a lot of these drummed up law suits would disappear faster than a prom dress.
And these “class action” suits are just lawyers looking for big bucks........for every dollar you get, the lawyer gets a million.

 

“Dead Nuts” is an ancient engineering term, one of the ‘cleaner’ terms used to describe’spot on’. 😀

 

Yeah buddy! Absofeckinglutely!

 

Ford Emissions, Fuel Economy Part of Governmental Investigation

 

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