Who made the crash-box?
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Who made the crash-box?
I have a Canadian built 1949 F-68 (F3) and was wondering who manufactured the 4-speed non-synchronized transmissions (crash box)? Possibly Warner? If so, what model number? Thanks.
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Most likely it's a Warner Gear Division T-9 if it's non-synchro in all gears. The WGD T-98 is the synchro 4-speed version that was used on the heavier trucks.
If it is the original tranny, it should have "WGD" for Warner Gear Division and the "T9" model number cast somewhere on the case.
If it is the original tranny, it should have "WGD" for Warner Gear Division and the "T9" model number cast somewhere on the case.
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I know... I know... holy thread ressurection batman! But anyways...
I just aquired a warner div. t-9 transmission and googled for info on it, and this was one of the few results I got, so I figured I'd see if anyone has any more info on these transmissions. Can you still get parts for them? How strong are they?
I'm thinking of using it behind another tranny for a "brownie box" sort of thing because it's so short. Heavy little bugger for how small it is though!
I just aquired a warner div. t-9 transmission and googled for info on it, and this was one of the few results I got, so I figured I'd see if anyone has any more info on these transmissions. Can you still get parts for them? How strong are they?
I'm thinking of using it behind another tranny for a "brownie box" sort of thing because it's so short. Heavy little bugger for how small it is though!
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just my 2 cents but I am thinking they are pretty damn strong considering that I have yet to come across one in bad shape in the several F5 and F6 trucks that I have come across. These were all grain trucks that had seen some use judging by the way the rest of the trucks looked. My truck when I got it had the original overload springs replaced by a whole stack of 10 leaf F6 truck springs with the spring eyes cut off!! The trans is in great shape, the rear end had an axle replaced at one point and the axles are freggin juicy. I have a T98 but if anything it has more parts to break and it was in good shape. These early 4 speeds are pretty freggin tough.
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Originally Posted by F6Guy
just my 2 cents but I am thinking they are pretty damn strong
It also has some odd rearend that I have not identified yet and a flathead straight six engine. Crazy looking old thing, that's for sure!
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Originally Posted by billybob_81067
That's along the same lines of what I'm thinking too... This particular transmission came off of a piece of irrigation equipment called the "big squirt" so it's just gotta be beefy! I mean they can't put a wimpy tranny on something called the "big squirt!" LOL
It also has some odd rearend that I have not identified yet and a flathead straight six engine. Crazy looking old thing, that's for sure!
It also has some odd rearend that I have not identified yet and a flathead straight six engine. Crazy looking old thing, that's for sure!
Warner T-9's were used 1948/52. Model #'s were 4TA and 4TB.
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a flathead six you say? What size? If it is on an irriation pump you might have a 254. I am a kind of feind for old farm eqipment, do you have some pics?
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these trannys were built in Muncie IN by Warner Gear which became Borg Warner. These trannys are quite robust. If I remember correctly the counter shaft alone weighed in at about 70#. This counter shaft has a hole drilled thru the center line and during assembly must be held up with one hand from the top of the case while sliding a bearing shaft thru both case ends and and the shaft center. It is not a job for the meek. Try doing 250 in an 8 hour shift. 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Odd looking rear axle? A split housing perhaps? Prolly a Timken Model # E155 or an H150.
Warner T-9's were used 1948/52. Model #'s were 4TA and 4TB.
Warner T-9's were used 1948/52. Model #'s were 4TA and 4TB.
As for the engine i'll have to do some checking around on it and take some pics as well. I'll try and get that done this afternoon and post them up this evening for you guys.
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some pics of the engine and the whole thing too...
Here's a few pics of the big squirt's engine as well as the entire machine. The tag on the engine says it's a continental engine. It's had 3 spark plugs pulled/loose for god only knows how many years and it looks like the block was frozen at one time because it's all welded up.
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a few more
and the last few:
I've got the transmission up at the shop and the differential is stored away in a trailer, but I'll have to get pics of both of them too...
Numberdummy, I'll have to measure my bolt pattern and see if either of those is the same. I'm not sure if this thing is even built entirely of ford parts, or if its just mixed and matched!
I've got the transmission up at the shop and the differential is stored away in a trailer, but I'll have to get pics of both of them too...
Numberdummy, I'll have to measure my bolt pattern and see if either of those is the same. I'm not sure if this thing is even built entirely of ford parts, or if its just mixed and matched!
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Continental made vehicle, boat, industrial, and aircraft engines for decades. They are not associated with FoMoCo. AFAIK, no Ford ever used a Continental engine. The last car to use one was the 1947/55 Kaisers...a 226 cid flathead 6.
This powertrain is prolly from a 1930's/40's truck. It's a Continental "Red Seal" engine. Most of the independent truck manufacturers at one time or another used Continental engines. To name a few: Moreland, Federal, Stewart, Brockway, Reo, Diamond-T. These were household names once, now they're all but forgotten.
Hmm, I see a serial number on that data plate...I think that can be traced.
Continental is still in business, I do believe.
This powertrain is prolly from a 1930's/40's truck. It's a Continental "Red Seal" engine. Most of the independent truck manufacturers at one time or another used Continental engines. To name a few: Moreland, Federal, Stewart, Brockway, Reo, Diamond-T. These were household names once, now they're all but forgotten.
Hmm, I see a serial number on that data plate...I think that can be traced.
Continental is still in business, I do believe.
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