rear brake questions ford 9 inch
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Hey Fellas could you look at my gallery under (53 ford update) and tell me if this is the way the brakes are supposed to look.I just put all new hardware and did one brake at a time as not to mess them up and have one to go from.These pics show the pads moving in on the bottom as like I forgot a spacer or something but I didn't see any on the bottom when I was doing the job??????? Any help Thanks DJ
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Hard to tell from the PICs but here are a few random thoughts.
1. Replacing only some of the springs can cause a weird look. What all was replaced?
2. How do the backing plates look where the shoes ride on? (About three spots per shoe. If tore up much, the shoe may find it's old home.
3. Are the hold down springs and pins the same length as the old ones? The pins in particular, the old springs will be fatigued.
Hard to tell from the PICs but here are a few random thoughts.
1. Replacing only some of the springs can cause a weird look. What all was replaced?
2. How do the backing plates look where the shoes ride on? (About three spots per shoe. If tore up much, the shoe may find it's old home.
3. Are the hold down springs and pins the same length as the old ones? The pins in particular, the old springs will be fatigued.
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DJ
I couldn't tell from the pic either. 'fenders covered all the bases, springs and pins are about the only thing I thought of.
Trucks starting to take shape, keep up the great work!
Bill
I couldn't tell from the pic either. 'fenders covered all the bases, springs and pins are about the only thing I thought of.
Trucks starting to take shape, keep up the great work!
Bill
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Well on the pics you can definatly see that the bottoms are sucked in and would not ride flush on the drum.I replaced every thing, springs reatiners and all. I just dont know if that when I get the whole system charged and pressure in the lines if this forces the brake lining to spread out and fit the drum???
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DJ
It may help a bit when you get them bled and the starwheel adjuster set. (especially the latter). The hold down pins and springs will rock more when everything else is loose. If you want to try to get a close up PIC, we will sure give them another look.
It may help a bit when you get them bled and the starwheel adjuster set. (especially the latter). The hold down pins and springs will rock more when everything else is loose. If you want to try to get a close up PIC, we will sure give them another look.
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I'm with everyone else. It doesn't look like anything missing but, it looks like the shoes are too far apart. Does the drum go over it the way it is. Maybe star turned out. Wrong shoes?
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Looks ok to me it is hard to see the picture. It looks like you may have 2 front shoes on it instead of a front and a back. The front shoe has a short lining and the back has a long lining. The parking brake looks like it missing.
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My dos pesos: I think the shoes are on correctly - ebrake cable exits to the left toward the front - short shoe lining appears to be there. I agree, it appears the ebrake cable isn't connected. It needs to hook into the arm before anything else gets hooked up.
The spring on the bottom is incorrectly installed. It should connect the lowest holes on both shoes. Back off the adjuster enough to get this done.
Also, I've never seen two pin/spring keepers used per shoe. Only one - about the position of your bottom set will allow the setup to 'float' some.
edit: the picture 57_ford posted looks like the correct position
The spring on the bottom is incorrectly installed. It should connect the lowest holes on both shoes. Back off the adjuster enough to get this done.
Also, I've never seen two pin/spring keepers used per shoe. Only one - about the position of your bottom set will allow the setup to 'float' some.
edit: the picture 57_ford posted looks like the correct position
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That's good mtflat. I didn't catch the park brake cable. It does appear to be unhooked. Also make sure it's not adjusted too tight.
I agree with the hold downs, never saw 2 like that either. Are you sure about the lower spring though? It looks correct going to the self-adjuster.
The shoes look like correct location (primary is on front).
One thing to keep in mind though is that you can't always go by the way they were. The last guy might have had it wrong too.
I agree with the hold downs, never saw 2 like that either. Are you sure about the lower spring though? It looks correct going to the self-adjuster.
The shoes look like correct location (primary is on front).
One thing to keep in mind though is that you can't always go by the way they were. The last guy might have had it wrong too.
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stepman, you got me! I even went down to the shed and dug out my original 48 axle to see how they were set up. I've seen Ford use both methods, but the spring SHOULD connect to the adjuster on this.
After looking at his picture again, I'm not sure the ebrake is wrong either. Did I write that stuff?
I bet if he removes the top pair of keepers the unit will slide up into place............?
After looking at his picture again, I'm not sure the ebrake is wrong either. Did I write that stuff?
I bet if he removes the top pair of keepers the unit will slide up into place............?
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"Also, I've never seen two pin/spring keepers used per shoe. Only one - about the position of your bottom set will allow the setup to 'float' some."
Good call MT, I wish I could blame it on the PIC resolution. How about temporary blindness?
That's got to be it. There is no way they could work correctly with 2 pins. The lower spring is correct going to the adjuster.
Good call MT, I wish I could blame it on the PIC resolution. How about temporary blindness?
That's got to be it. There is no way they could work correctly with 2 pins. The lower spring is correct going to the adjuster.
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well if it will help i uploaded some pics of my 9 inch brakes and the correct spring and the 2 mounting pin locations. to me it looks like the self adjuster assembly has been installed improperly one end of the bottom spring should hook into the self adjuster cam and one into the forward shoe if ya need any more pics or help feel free to pm me
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Gee Oh
I'm having trouble following what you are saying but the self adjuster does look squirrley as best as I can make out the PIC. Almost looks like it is entering the shoe from the backside. But I'm not sure that is possible unless you flip the right and left side parts to the wrong side. The adjuster tab that rides actuates the starwheel should be perpendicular to the wheel, not parallel as it appears.
Or am I blind and that ain't how it is. Give us some better PICs DJ, this is really getting my curiosity. Curious about the dual hold down pins too. I may learn something here but I have never seen that arrangement ever before.
I'm having trouble following what you are saying but the self adjuster does look squirrley as best as I can make out the PIC. Almost looks like it is entering the shoe from the backside. But I'm not sure that is possible unless you flip the right and left side parts to the wrong side. The adjuster tab that rides actuates the starwheel should be perpendicular to the wheel, not parallel as it appears.
Or am I blind and that ain't how it is. Give us some better PICs DJ, this is really getting my curiosity. Curious about the dual hold down pins too. I may learn something here but I have never seen that arrangement ever before.
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Thanks for all your help. I finally just took the brake assembly to Les Schwabs and asked a good friend and rodder John to take a look at the set up. I hate to tell you all that I took it in after all you have tried to do(all of you) in helping with my problem but---- the story is old Les sold me the wrong pads and the pads I should have had are about an inch wider than in the pics. John felt so bad after me telling him this whole story he installed them right there for me and gave me 10% off.So with that Thanks Again.DJ
