Fuel pump / Warranty
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Fuel pump / Warranty
I've been shopping extended warranties and went to my dealer to get a comparative quote. I told him my biggest concern was the "expensive fuel pump". He proceeded to tell me that the HPFP was not warrantied to 100K and that my truck has three fuel pumps. So my questions are:
1-Is the HPFP called the injection pump?
2-Is this the "expensive pump"?
3-Is the HPFP covered up to 100K in the original warranty?
4-How many pumps do our trucks have?
I know the answers but I'm looking for confirmation.
1-Is the HPFP called the injection pump?
2-Is this the "expensive pump"?
3-Is the HPFP covered up to 100K in the original warranty?
4-How many pumps do our trucks have?
I know the answers but I'm looking for confirmation.
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We'll see what others say but this is what I know.
1.) A diesel injection pump delivers fuel at a very high pressure and is run by the crankshaft, same as what we call the HPFP.
2.) Yes the HPFP is much more costly than the LPFP.
3.) Great question. I'll learn something here too. It's a vital part of the engine but it's possible Ford considers it powertrain which is 60,000.
Ford ESP PremiumCare lists "diesel injector pump" for whatever plan you purchase so I'm under the impression my HPFP is covered to 100,000 with PremiumCare.
I quickly didn't notice any fine print about HPFP or fuel injection pump.
4.) Two as far as I can see from the tech documents.
1.) A diesel injection pump delivers fuel at a very high pressure and is run by the crankshaft, same as what we call the HPFP.
2.) Yes the HPFP is much more costly than the LPFP.
3.) Great question. I'll learn something here too. It's a vital part of the engine but it's possible Ford considers it powertrain which is 60,000.
Ford ESP PremiumCare lists "diesel injector pump" for whatever plan you purchase so I'm under the impression my HPFP is covered to 100,000 with PremiumCare.
I quickly didn't notice any fine print about HPFP or fuel injection pump.
4.) Two as far as I can see from the tech documents.
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It's all in the manual guys...
Originally Posted by 2011 Warranty Guide
Your vehicle’s direct injection diesel engine and certain engine
components are covered during the PowerStroke Diesel Engine Coverage
Period, which lasts for five years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs
first. The following parts are covered during this extended coverage
period: the engine, cylinder block, heads and all internal parts, intake
and exhaust manifolds, timing gear, harmonic balancer, valve covers, oil
pan and pump, water pump, fuel system (excluding fuel lines, fuel tank
and frame mounted fuel conditioning module sometimes referred to as
the frame mounted pump/filter/water separator), high pressure lines,
gaskets and seals, glow plugs, turbocharger, two-stage turbocharger
assembly, turbocharger actuator, powertrain control module, engine
control module, high pressure fuel injection pump assembly, electronic
driver unit, injectors, injection pressure sensor...
components are covered during the PowerStroke Diesel Engine Coverage
Period, which lasts for five years or 100,000 miles, whichever occurs
first. The following parts are covered during this extended coverage
period: the engine, cylinder block, heads and all internal parts, intake
and exhaust manifolds, timing gear, harmonic balancer, valve covers, oil
pan and pump, water pump, fuel system (excluding fuel lines, fuel tank
and frame mounted fuel conditioning module sometimes referred to as
the frame mounted pump/filter/water separator), high pressure lines,
gaskets and seals, glow plugs, turbocharger, two-stage turbocharger
assembly, turbocharger actuator, powertrain control module, engine
control module, high pressure fuel injection pump assembly, electronic
driver unit, injectors, injection pressure sensor...
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Whether the HPFP is covered under the 100,000 mile warranty or not, I don't think is the issue. Any failure of the HPFP is probably going to be blamed on water in the fuel or bad fuel and most warranty claims will be denied.
Proving that the failure was due to manufactures defect vs using bad fuel will be an uphill battle as we saw in Ricks experience.
To the OP, Yes it's the expensive one, Because when it fails, It usually takes everything downstream of it in the failure. The pump itself is not terrible expensive ( $800+) but the system repair it causes is in the $10,000 to $12,000 range.
Luckily very few folks have had this failure. So I'm not sure it's worth worrying about. Unless you are the 1 person in 10,000 trucks that has the problem. Then it's a big deal.
Proving that the failure was due to manufactures defect vs using bad fuel will be an uphill battle as we saw in Ricks experience.
To the OP, Yes it's the expensive one, Because when it fails, It usually takes everything downstream of it in the failure. The pump itself is not terrible expensive ( $800+) but the system repair it causes is in the $10,000 to $12,000 range.
Luckily very few folks have had this failure. So I'm not sure it's worth worrying about. Unless you are the 1 person in 10,000 trucks that has the problem. Then it's a big deal.
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Whether the HPFP is covered under the 100,000 mile warranty or not, I don't think is the issue. Any failure of the HPFP is probably going to be blamed on water in the fuel or bad fuel and most warranty claims will be denied.
Proving that the failure was due to manufactures defect vs using bad fuel will be an uphill battle as we saw in Ricks experience.
To the OP, Yes it's the expensive one, Because when it fails, It usually takes everything downstream of it in the failure. The pump itself is not terrible expensive ( $800+) but the system repair it causes is in the $10,000 to $12,000 range.
Luckily very few folks have had this failure. So I'm not sure it's worth worrying about. Unless you are the 1 person in 10,000 trucks that has the problem. Then it's a big deal.
Proving that the failure was due to manufactures defect vs using bad fuel will be an uphill battle as we saw in Ricks experience.
To the OP, Yes it's the expensive one, Because when it fails, It usually takes everything downstream of it in the failure. The pump itself is not terrible expensive ( $800+) but the system repair it causes is in the $10,000 to $12,000 range.
Luckily very few folks have had this failure. So I'm not sure it's worth worrying about. Unless you are the 1 person in 10,000 trucks that has the problem. Then it's a big deal.
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Different engine, I know, but I've got a 2010 6.4 in my bay now with that same issue. Truck quit going down the road. Drained the HFCM, got just a couple of drops. Looked in the secondary filter, very cloudy. Pulled the tank, looks like gold anti freeze. Put some in a clear container, let it sit overnight, NO SEPARATION. Set a match to some of it, WOULDN'T BURN! Very slight smell of diesel. Drained and cleaned the tank, replaced filters, flushed lines, got it running. Test drive, I got 2 miles. Now, dtcs for HPFP, no FRP.
Did you pull the top filter and have a look before you started it?
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Yep! Cleaned out thoroughly. Customer.."I buy my fuel at the same place all of the time, and I never use additives!". Me.."I dont care where you buy fuel or don't buy fuel, or if you use or don't use additives. What I see is what was in that fuel tank isn't diesel!". Oh yeah, I saved 16 gallons of this "diesel" in case someone wants to "Question" my findings!
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Yep! Cleaned out thoroughly. Customer.."I buy my fuel at the same place all of the time, and I never use additives!". Me.."I dont care where you buy fuel or don't buy fuel, or if you use or don't use additives. What I see is what was in that fuel tank isn't diesel!". Oh yeah, I saved 16 gallons of this "diesel" in case someone wants to "Question" my findings!
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Sounds like fella needs to go back and buy a 5 gallon jug and see if it is same junk.that wont burn
If he bought same place im sure other have same problem.he would have something to go back on. Sucks no matter what.
If he bought same place im sure other have same problem.he would have something to go back on. Sucks no matter what.