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I.D. an FE Ford
I'll have the Roast Duck
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From: Northshore, MN
At work, when parts/shapes come off of the burn & plasma tables, they are assigned a part number. When that part gets machined, it gets a new part number to distinguish it from the burn part, as the computer knows nothing to which is which when inventory rolls around. So when the machinist gets lazy and doesn't erase the burn part number written on the part, some other guy who doesn't recognize the part is counting it for inventory using the burn part number, everything gets thrown off. A headache for most manufacturing companies, I'm sure. The same can be said for casting numbers and machine/engineering numbers. No real point I'm making here, except that when nobody KNOWS, NOBODY knows.
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And while I agree, and said previously, that casting numbers cannot reliably identify what a part exactly is, they surely can rule out many things that it cannot be.
Post Fiend
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Is this like the Nomenclature thingie over on Bobj's tranny thread?
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...-problems.html
Cause this one kinda proves the point why everyday descriptions are used when the Book Terms don't work.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...-problems.html
Cause this one kinda proves the point why everyday descriptions are used when the Book Terms don't work.
Post Fiend
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From: Poway, Ca.
Proves nothing Dick - documentation wise at least. Not even related that I can figure. Maybe I just don't see it.
But you are an educator, and I'm always willing to listen to reasonable points to learn here - so educate me:
How does a discussion on promoting using the written repair procedures in a Shop Manual - as opposed to "flying by the seat of your pants" to do it, relate to finding Ford FE engine numbers/ identifying the engine; or, prove that using reference material in cases like this is a wasted effort? Maybe a specific suggestion like: What specific everyday description would you offer this member to positively ID this engine?
I'm anxious to understand! Perhaps I could improve my inputs here if I do.
But you are an educator, and I'm always willing to listen to reasonable points to learn here - so educate me:
How does a discussion on promoting using the written repair procedures in a Shop Manual - as opposed to "flying by the seat of your pants" to do it, relate to finding Ford FE engine numbers/ identifying the engine; or, prove that using reference material in cases like this is a wasted effort? Maybe a specific suggestion like: What specific everyday description would you offer this member to positively ID this engine?
I'm anxious to understand! Perhaps I could improve my inputs here if I do.
Ford Parts Specialist
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with you, Bill, in that all FE engines did not use the same heads. There are dozens of different variations of valve, port, and combustion chamber sizes and shapes. And to someone who knows what they're looking for, they can be easy to tell apart. A few, like the 427 high riser, tunnel port or sohc are so different they need unique intake and exhaust pieces to go with them.
And while I agree, and said previously, that casting numbers cannot reliably identify what a part exactly is, they surely can rule out many things that it cannot be.
And while I agree, and said previously, that casting numbers cannot reliably identify what a part exactly is, they surely can rule out many things that it cannot be.
According to FoMoCo, the 352/390 heads are the same 1961/65 / the 352/390/410/428 heads are the same 1966/67 / the 360/390/428 heads are the same 1968/71 / the 360/390 heads are the same 1972/76.
The only variations are heads used on 390 & 428 Police Cruisers and with/without Thermactor Emission.
Ford replaced the 1961/65 heads with 1966/67 heads, then replaced these with 1968/71 heads, then replaced these with the 1972/76 heads all for use as service part replacements.
Plus all these heads were, at one time or another, sold to Ford authorized engine rebuilders, who stuck them on everything.
Many engines in today's world have so much swapped around, plus what Ford did...who knows what's on the engine?
You might find C6AE-N heads on a 1976 F100, C8AE-H heads on a 1961 T-Bird, D2TE-AA heads on a 1967 Miustang. Were these heads on these specific vehicles originally? No.
Post Fiend
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From: Poway, Ca.
I just don't remember if that was a function of a different head (stripped) or the stuff that's built onto it.
I'm wondering a little bit more about where this OPs neighbor got this engine. True, just for the sake of "never say never" argument there could be some differences in the heads. But I would think that if this were one of Shelbys racing engines or something similar, it wouldn't be a lost ophan sitting is a garage someplace - someone would have put it there knowing what they've got. It's possible but the chances are about 25,000 to 1.
So short of Penn Dicks mystic input from his experience, is there any markings on the FEs that will distinguish the size like the block date stamp? Head or intake Numbers? I know my original engine was impossible to ID. Only reason I can prove my rebuild was a PI is because I watched them pull it out of the 62 cop car and put the PI parts in it when they rebuilt it.
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From: Valley Center, California
Me like 390s. Not hard to find - not too expensive - with Alum Heads and a modest Cam they run plenty hard all day long on the street. 
Ford Parts Specialist
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Casting numbers/date codes are foundry marks.
The date code only refers to when day the block was cast. It could be three/six/nine or whatever months from the time the bare block was cast, till the complete engine was installed in a vehicle.
The block is cast, then set outside to "season." Then it's shipped to an engine assembly plant to be finished. Then it's shipped to an assembly plant, where it's "banked" until needed.
How long does this process take? It depends on multiple factors.
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From: Moyie, BC Canada
I don't have pics of the other engines but this is a pic of the 429 that I have
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I don't have pics of the other engines but this is a pic of the 429 that I have
I don't have pics of the other engines but this is a pic of the 429 that I have
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thanks POS,.....I have'nt figured it out yet.