What did you do to the X today?
01-27-2019, 08:26 PM
Cargo Master
I didn't unplug the one to the master because I figured like most vehicles that monitors brake fluid level and whatnot. I figured for sure the one going to the booster wasn't doing anything but activating the brakes/vsc as there is no other need to watch or do anything in the booster.
No brake light on but the vsc and traction control light are on, which both came on after the system faulted and sent us into another lane earlier. Like I said, once I get home I will pull the cluster, pull the bulbs for those lights, and be done with that nonsense.
I am sure Tom will be along shortly to tell me about the safety reasons of having the vsc and how I will now kill a school bus load of children and nuns. I'll laugh out loud!
No brake light on but the vsc and traction control light are on, which both came on after the system faulted and sent us into another lane earlier. Like I said, once I get home I will pull the cluster, pull the bulbs for those lights, and be done with that nonsense.
I am sure Tom will be along shortly to tell me about the safety reasons of having the vsc and how I will now kill a school bus load of children and nuns. I'll laugh out loud!
01-28-2019, 05:35 AM
We made it to florida!
Stupid toyota VSC (vehicle stability crap) decided it was going to act up on this trip. Flying down the highway at 75mph it randomly applies the brake to whatever wheel it wants, normally a front one. Which then pulls you instantly into the lane next to you. We are super lucky this started after we got out of the snow and ice in the north or we may have been upside down in the ditch. I talk about it ALL the time, I HATE HATE HATE electronic control systems on vehicles! There should not be anything controlling the brakes or steering on any vehicle. It is a safety issue!
After reading the internet I figured out how to disable the VSC system. When I get home I will pull the bulbs out of the dash for the pos system and forget all about it. At least now we won't die on the way home.
Also after reading I see this is a big problem not only with just toyota. Why they won't issue a recall is stupid. I gues we have to wait for more than a few people to die from something before they try to fix the problem.
This kind of stuff is also why I preach that I will never ever buy a new vehicle. The new ones are junk. Gimme a mechanical vehicle any day, you can keep the electronic crap.
Stupid toyota VSC (vehicle stability crap) decided it was going to act up on this trip. Flying down the highway at 75mph it randomly applies the brake to whatever wheel it wants, normally a front one. Which then pulls you instantly into the lane next to you. We are super lucky this started after we got out of the snow and ice in the north or we may have been upside down in the ditch. I talk about it ALL the time, I HATE HATE HATE electronic control systems on vehicles! There should not be anything controlling the brakes or steering on any vehicle. It is a safety issue!
After reading the internet I figured out how to disable the VSC system. When I get home I will pull the bulbs out of the dash for the pos system and forget all about it. At least now we won't die on the way home.
Also after reading I see this is a big problem not only with just toyota. Why they won't issue a recall is stupid. I gues we have to wait for more than a few people to die from something before they try to fix the problem.
This kind of stuff is also why I preach that I will never ever buy a new vehicle. The new ones are junk. Gimme a mechanical vehicle any day, you can keep the electronic crap.
01-28-2019, 06:08 AM
Its happy to stay out of the salt which makes me happy.
My thoughts exactly. Now if they actually spent the money they can make a great computer system to work but then the vehicles would cost 100K+. However computers and electronics fail so no matter how great the system is some day it will fail and do something wrong which can kill. Even multi million dollar jets that fly on computers crash because of failures.
My limit is the year 2003 with vehicles. Even up to that (like the sequoia) have too much computer control but is normally bypassable. Get newer than that and they incorporate the computers with other junk on the vehicle so much that you can't just shut down one system. Thats not for me, never will be, no thanks. I like to be in control because I know what happens when I input commands to the vehicle. Stick a computer between the operator and the vehicle and it becomes a craps shoot. Add corrosive and conductive salt water to electronics and its anyone guess what will happen. You may get to point B or you might die on the way, good luck.
Going to be exciting to see what happens to teslas after 10-15 years in the salt belt.
Exact same reason I got rid of my 2011 SD. The electronic controls almost got me killed in the snow. Sold it a couple months later. That computer crap has no clue what to do in any situation and can be dangerous. There's even situations where simple anti lock brakes will do more harm than good. My instinct and experience is a million times better than what any engineer thinks a computer can "help" me with.
My limit is the year 2003 with vehicles. Even up to that (like the sequoia) have too much computer control but is normally bypassable. Get newer than that and they incorporate the computers with other junk on the vehicle so much that you can't just shut down one system. Thats not for me, never will be, no thanks. I like to be in control because I know what happens when I input commands to the vehicle. Stick a computer between the operator and the vehicle and it becomes a craps shoot. Add corrosive and conductive salt water to electronics and its anyone guess what will happen. You may get to point B or you might die on the way, good luck.
Going to be exciting to see what happens to teslas after 10-15 years in the salt belt.
01-28-2019, 05:32 PM
I didn't unplug the one to the master because I figured like most vehicles that monitors brake fluid level and whatnot. I figured for sure the one going to the booster wasn't doing anything but activating the brakes/vsc as there is no other need to watch or do anything in the booster.
No brake light on but the vsc and traction control light are on, which both came on after the system faulted and sent us into another lane earlier. Like I said, once I get home I will pull the cluster, pull the bulbs for those lights, and be done with that nonsense.
I am sure Tom will be along shortly to tell me about the safety reasons of having the vsc and how I will now kill a school bus load of children and nuns. I'll laugh out loud!
No brake light on but the vsc and traction control light are on, which both came on after the system faulted and sent us into another lane earlier. Like I said, once I get home I will pull the cluster, pull the bulbs for those lights, and be done with that nonsense.
I am sure Tom will be along shortly to tell me about the safety reasons of having the vsc and how I will now kill a school bus load of children and nuns. I'll laugh out loud!
Who me? Nope, I drive older cars for a variety of reasons, over complicated electronics is one of them and I really don't care for Nanny systems at all. My '05 EX is the newest vehicle in my personal fleet, my Winter car is an '01 Suzuki Vitara 4X4 that has very minimal computer controls and my Summer ride is the '94 Geo (Suzuki) Metro which has no Nanny systems at all, very basic and super reliable, funny how those two items tend to be related. My '69 Trans Am's most complicated piece of electronics is the capacitor in the breaker points distributor.
01-28-2019, 09:32 PM
Who me? Nope, I drive older cars for a variety of reasons, over complicated electronics is one of them and I really don't care for Nanny systems at all. My '05 EX is the newest vehicle in my personal fleet, my Winter car is an '01 Suzuki Vitara 4X4 that has very minimal computer controls and my Summer ride is the '94 Geo (Suzuki) Metro which has no Nanny systems at all, very basic and super reliable, funny how those two items tend to be related. My '69 Trans Am's most complicated piece of electronics is the capacitor in the breaker points distributor.
01-28-2019, 09:50 PM
01-29-2019, 12:10 AM
Laughing Gas
01-29-2019, 08:42 AM
I'm slowly turning into a curmudgeon.
01-29-2019, 09:15 AM
My thoughts exactly. Now if they actually spent the money they can make a great computer system to work but then the vehicles would cost 100K+. However computers and electronics fail so no matter how great the system is some day it will fail and do something wrong which can kill. Even multi million dollar jets that fly on computers crash because of failures.
My limit is the year 2003 with vehicles. Even up to that (like the sequoia) have too much computer control but is normally bypassable. Get newer than that and they incorporate the computers with other junk on the vehicle so much that you can't just shut down one system. Thats not for me, never will be, no thanks. I like to be in control because I know what happens when I input commands to the vehicle. Stick a computer between the operator and the vehicle and it becomes a craps shoot. Add corrosive and conductive salt water to electronics and its anyone guess what will happen. You may get to point B or you might die on the way, good luck.
My limit is the year 2003 with vehicles. Even up to that (like the sequoia) have too much computer control but is normally bypassable. Get newer than that and they incorporate the computers with other junk on the vehicle so much that you can't just shut down one system. Thats not for me, never will be, no thanks. I like to be in control because I know what happens when I input commands to the vehicle. Stick a computer between the operator and the vehicle and it becomes a craps shoot. Add corrosive and conductive salt water to electronics and its anyone guess what will happen. You may get to point B or you might die on the way, good luck.
The new Super Duties are nice, but when an electronic failure occurs or you HPFP decides to go boom, you may be looking at a second mortgage. So I keep my '01 and '05 Excursion knowing I can fix them if they break or have issues. Parts may not be as plentiful as they were, but I atleast know where to look.
01-29-2019, 10:53 AM
Laughing Gas
01-29-2019, 11:14 AM
01-29-2019, 11:22 AM
Around my area, SE corner of PA we dip into single digits once or twice each Winter for a day or two and I hate it, I can not fathom regularly dealing with temps as low as you guys are discussing above! I'm looking forward to our retirement in five years and heading South to warmer areas, at least when it's cold up here.
01-29-2019, 11:22 AM
Laughing Gas
01-29-2019, 03:28 PM
Its going to be colder than a witches ti.....uh in a brass....uh, it'll be really cold here as well. 20-40 below with windchill and its windy today. Truck is staying plugged in but Im not driving it to work. No place to plug it in and Im not going out every hour to fire it up. I'll just drive the cop car, if it dies, I'll take my plate and call Uber.
Speaking of plugging it in at work, they allow owners of hybrids to plug theirs in for 4 hours......wheres my measly 110 outlet for my block heater? Bunch of aholes. Supposed to be 40 above in a few days so I figure I'll be washing the EX. Its covered with that evil white stuff.....not snow.
Speaking of plugging it in at work, they allow owners of hybrids to plug theirs in for 4 hours......wheres my measly 110 outlet for my block heater? Bunch of aholes. Supposed to be 40 above in a few days so I figure I'll be washing the EX. Its covered with that evil white stuff.....not snow.