EGR Throttle plate replace?
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EGR Throttle plate replace?
'04 F250 6.0
So A few weeks ago I started losing power at the top end of shift points culminating in my truck no leaving 1st gear and me driving 8 miles to a dealership to have them look at the transmission. They come back and tell me the transmission is fine and its a deisel drivability issue. I'm now $400 into them for 2 different diagnosics. They tell me the FICM is shot and that is the problem. They want $1200+ for a new one installed, I go on FTE boards and find Swamps Deisel sells them for $400. Install the new FICM and it works great, but when I hit the accelerator same as before, loss of power and lack of gear shifting at the top of the gear. Brought it back, and after another $150 to hook it up to a computer they tell me that for sure this time it is the EGR Throttle Plate. Everything I have read is that this was only in the 6.0 for a year and a half from '03 to '04 and after that they decided that it wasn't needed. The new part is around $500 from ford, havn't looked around much other than that. My question is can I go inside and just take out the plate somehow or if I just leave it unhooked will that solve my problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks.
-Griz
So A few weeks ago I started losing power at the top end of shift points culminating in my truck no leaving 1st gear and me driving 8 miles to a dealership to have them look at the transmission. They come back and tell me the transmission is fine and its a deisel drivability issue. I'm now $400 into them for 2 different diagnosics. They tell me the FICM is shot and that is the problem. They want $1200+ for a new one installed, I go on FTE boards and find Swamps Deisel sells them for $400. Install the new FICM and it works great, but when I hit the accelerator same as before, loss of power and lack of gear shifting at the top of the gear. Brought it back, and after another $150 to hook it up to a computer they tell me that for sure this time it is the EGR Throttle Plate. Everything I have read is that this was only in the 6.0 for a year and a half from '03 to '04 and after that they decided that it wasn't needed. The new part is around $500 from ford, havn't looked around much other than that. My question is can I go inside and just take out the plate somehow or if I just leave it unhooked will that solve my problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks.
-Griz
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I hate to say this but.... Ive never seen a bad one. Lots of people have removed them. I sure someone here will be along to point you in a direction of instruction on how to do so.
or try the tech folder and search functions.
or try the tech folder and search functions.
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Remove the intake elbow and throttle plate housing, remove the screws holding the butterfly to the shaft, replace the throttle plate housing and intake elbow, being careful not to strip the threads in the I/M. Toss the butterfly in the trash.
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LMAO--that's as good a sales pitch as I've ever seen. Bad throttle plate on an 04. IIRC it was removed from the strategy before I even brought my 04 home from the dealer. William gave you the instructions right--just remove the butterfly and put the housing back in with the shaft still there. Mine ran that way for most of it's life until I won a free 05 elbow from somewhere. Hell...if they insist it still needs one I'll ship you mine for $150, but it's a trotline weight for sure.
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like I said take it for what its worth. fail to shift at high rpms is suspect fuel concern really. thats were I would look first with no codes. from there its in to what is the ipr doing at hot idle.
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Well the advisor agreed that if this does not fix the problem that further diagnosis will be free, my question is if I pull that butterfly out will the computer notice something is off and start throwing codes/ possibly go into a protect mode again? Just for the record I could have swore it was my turbo, even had a guy set up to rebuild it but the tech said the turbo was fine.
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Please reread this. maybe it will make sensce on what to check.. I dont know.
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Well the advisor agreed that if this does not fix the problem that further diagnosis will be free, my question is if I pull that butterfly out will the computer notice something is off and start throwing codes/ possibly go into a protect mode again? Just for the record I could have swore it was my turbo, even had a guy set up to rebuild it but the tech said the turbo was fine.
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Cheezeit I wasn't doubting you at all, I know I can change parts out, thats it. This is why I brought it to Ford in the first place, I don't know how to diagnos problems like they can, nor do I have the equiptment they do. I'm a carpenter, my mechanic tools consist of a socket set and some C-clamps. I just was wondering if you guys w/ a lot more knowledge than me on the subject think that this sounds like a viable solution, and if I remove the valve if thats as good as actually replacing the assembly.
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You can remove the butterfly to see if that resolves the problem. It costs you nothing to pull it out. If it fixes the problem, hooray for you. If not, it's your choice as to whether you find a more competent service department, or discuss with your current tech as why the concern was misdiagnosed in the first place.
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I'll say it again. The TPS valve does NOTHING. Taking the butterfly out can't hurt ANYTHING. You'll need an 8mm socket, a 10mm socket and a flat screwdriver. Take it out, throw it in the trash. I bet when you take the elbow off that it's standing wide open anyway. The tech who's telling you it's the TPS is WRONG. PERIOD. You have another problem and it's not the TPS.
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Bah I'll write it out.
#1- 00FOZ: SCHEDULED MAIN.
CUSTOMER OKED TECH TO PROFORM FURTHER DIAG FOR FICM AFTER CUSTOMER INSTALLED TECH TO CHARGE APPROX 1 HR TO DIAG AND PULL CODES AND PRESENT REPAIR EST COST IS $139.37
WORK PROFORMED BY CHRIS....
IDS KOEO CONT P0407 P0488. ROADTEST, DATALOGGER MONITOR PIDS AND FOUND WHEN VEHICLE IS ACTING UP HAS 0 PSI BOOST PRESSURE. TESTED TURBO AND EGR SYSTEM AND FOUND EGR THROTTLE PLATE STICKING CLOSED INTERMITTENTLY AND CHOKING OFF ENGINE.
RECOMMENDED REPLACING THROTTLE PLATE. HA'
Sub Total : 153.31
Sub Total : .00
thats it word for word
#1- 00FOZ: SCHEDULED MAIN.
CUSTOMER OKED TECH TO PROFORM FURTHER DIAG FOR FICM AFTER CUSTOMER INSTALLED TECH TO CHARGE APPROX 1 HR TO DIAG AND PULL CODES AND PRESENT REPAIR EST COST IS $139.37
WORK PROFORMED BY CHRIS....
IDS KOEO CONT P0407 P0488. ROADTEST, DATALOGGER MONITOR PIDS AND FOUND WHEN VEHICLE IS ACTING UP HAS 0 PSI BOOST PRESSURE. TESTED TURBO AND EGR SYSTEM AND FOUND EGR THROTTLE PLATE STICKING CLOSED INTERMITTENTLY AND CHOKING OFF ENGINE.
RECOMMENDED REPLACING THROTTLE PLATE. HA'
Sub Total : 153.31
Sub Total : .00
thats it word for word