Ratsmoker:

Some time back, you and I had a discussion about what parts to get to rebuild my 360 and make it a 390 (1971 Ford f-100). Well, I have the money to buy the parts now and can't find that post anymore. So, if you would here is what I need (think you said something like 9-9.5:1 on the compression after rebuild):


Would like to spend no more than $700 on the parts if this is possible and would like to know the specific brand names and supplier (and part numbers to get if you know).

1. What Intake (if I need to change it, 2 bbl now).
2. What carb
3. What crank
4. What cam
5. What piston rods
6. What bolts
7. What pistons and rings (0.030 over)
8. What Oil Pump
9. What electronic ignition system
10. What bearings
11. What spark plugs and wires
(Whatever else I need, I will not be dong the work, going to just pay somebody to do instead of destroying perfectly good parts).

Extras for later
11. What Fuel Pump
12. What type of Pipes (2.5" for instance)
13. What type of headers (if you advise)

I know this is a pain in the butt, but I am not really that privy on the engine deal, so I am just going to take whatever advice you give me and go buy parts! Thanks for you time.

 

Well, I just spent the last two hours searching around the Summit Racing website and found these parts for a $390 rebuild (picked one up at the junk yard for $100).

CRN-343901 Cam PowerMax Hyd. Flat Tappet, 204/216 .501/.533, Ford FE V8 $109.95

EDL-2105 Ford: 1966-72 332-428 FE, non-EGR, dual plane, square bore, aluminum, Performer intake manifold ... $239.95

STL-381P30 Ford/Lincoln/Mercury: 390, truck only, .030 in. oversize, 4.080 in. bore, 3.780 in. stroke, 6.480 in. rod leng... $10.99

ARP-555-9702 Ford: 360-428 FE series, 12-point, black oxide, chromemoly steel, engine bolt kit ... $75.95

FEM-1445M Ford: 352-428 FE, cam bearings ... $25.39

MEL-M57HV Ford: 330-462 FE engines, high volume oil pump ... $32.95

FEL-KS2307 Ford: 332-428 FE, complete engine gasket kit ... $63.99

Well, experts, here we are, ready to pay someone to put this all together. If I have done something wrong, please tell me before I order this stuff. Probably going to take the parts to the engine guy next week along with the engine. Going to use the old 390 crank (get it polished) and the old rods already in the engine. Just need to get a carb. By the way, will these parts work well with stock heads or do I need to have them worked also? Appreciate the advice, I have no idea why I am trying to do this and know nothing about engine rebuilding. BUT I KNOW I LOVE MY FORD TRUCK!!!

 

here's a couple thoughts...

I'd pass on the bolt kit you can get by with a $30-$40 kit if you really want to spend on them.....

get the cam kit with lifters it's a good deal.....

I'd pass on the hv pump and just get a standard, I think the hv pumps are too hard on distributor gears.....

get a true roller timing chain the summit one will do....

also that's not a real agressive cam but it probably does have some fast ramps and the lift is high enough that you should consider aftermarket springs\keepers\retainers...... which may mean new valves......and new pushrods of the correct lenght or converting to adjustable valve train which will pretty quickly double your budget which I'm sure is going to happen anyway....

you already have a carb...???? oh no guess you don't but that's another $200-300

 

The part number you need for the cam is 343902. This is the cam and lifter kit. The one you have there is just the cam with no lifters. I would dump the engine bolt kit as this is just for accessories not the important stuff. ARP rod bolts are the only things I would replace in the bolt department. I do not agree with the guy above about HV oil pumps on FEs. I have had no problem with dizzy gear wear and I have seen 6,000 rpm so many times its not funny. They are harder on the cam/dizzy gear but not enough to worry about. You need to get the oiling mods done as well. These are simple, cheap and can only help you. I'm not sure about the pistons. I don't keep that info engrained in my skull like some guys here do. I will let them steer you in the right direction piston wise. Definitely get the recommeded springs with that cam. It is going to cost more than $700 to do this right. There are many things that will need done at the machine shop. Take the time to save the money and do it right. Then it will all work out for ya.

 

zdir, where is the best place to get the carb. Thinkng I want an edelbrock to sit on top of an edelbrock intake. 650 cfm, that sound good? I went to the edelbrock homepage, but they don't have prices there, just parts (wonder why that is, haha). Thanks for all the help, Doc.

 

Please advise?

CRN-343902 Ford: 352-428, 260/272 advertised duration, hydraulic, PowerMax series, cam and lifter kit ... $169.95

CRN-52308-1 Ford: 1970-77 351C/M-400, heat treated steel, machined and hardened, valve spring and retainer kit ... $99.95

EDL-2105 Ford: 1966-72 332-428 FE, non-EGR, dual plane, square bore, aluminum, Performer intake manifold ... $239.95

STL-381P30 Ford/Lincoln/Mercury: 390, truck only, .030 in. oversize, 4.080 in. bore, 3.780 in. stroke, 6.480 in. rod leng... $10.99

FEM-1445M Ford: 352-428 FE, cam bearings ... $25.39

MEL-M57HV Ford: 330-462 FE engines, high volume oil pump ... $32.95

FEL-KS2307 Ford: 332-428 FE, complete engine gasket kit ... $63.99

CLO-9-3108 Ford: 352-428, heat-treated steel, True Roller timing set ... $93.95

CRN-34645-16 Ford: 332-428 FE, stock length, hydraulic lifters and adjustable rockers, 3/8 in. diameter, 9.234 in. long, pu... $89.50

 

Drop the pushrods and cloyes timing chain. Cloyes is a good brand but there are comparable brands for much less. I used the edelbrock timing set. I think it was 65 bucks. You can use whichever but the cheaper one is a good set. Call crane and ask them exactly what length pusrods you need for that cam. As long as the base circle is the same as stock you can use good ol melling pushrods from the parts store and save a lot there. $89 for a set of pushrods is outrageous. The part number I show for the cam you are getting is 13309-1 for the kit. You still need locks which are about 10 bucks a set. Their part number is 99042-1

 

Ratsmoker, are these part numbers for Summit of for the manufacturer? And the $700 budget amount was for the parts and does not include the labor, I am expecting this to cost at least $2000 with labor, the parts and the used block along with installation of the engine into the truck. Man, I am so glad I can do body work, this could get really expensive. Thanks and I will post the parts list everytime there is a change. I hope this does not upset anyone, but I think other novice member like me can benefit from the discussion and list of part with part numbers and prices. Doc.

 

OK, here we go with the list as it is right now. Hopefully, I have captured everything I need except the pushrod, going to get them from local parts shop once I find out exactly what length I need.:

EDL-1407 Manual choke, 750 cfm, Carburetor, Performer Series, 750 cfm, Square Flange, Manual Choke $239.95

EDL-2105 6-72 332-428 FE, non-EGR, dual plane, square bore, aluminum, Performer intake manifold ... $239.95

CRN-52308-1 Ford: 1970-77 351C/M-400, heat treated steel, machined and hardened, valve spring and retainer kit ... $99.95

CRN-343902 Ford: 352-428, 260/272 advertised duration, hydraulic, PowerMax series, cam and lifter kit ... $169.95

EDL-7808 Ford: 1963-76 332-428, timing chain set ... $52.95

STL-381P30 Ford/Lincoln/Mercury: 390, truck only, .030 in. oversize, 4.080 in. bore, 3.780 in. stroke, 6.480 in. rod leng... $10.99 ($90 for the set)

FEM-1445M Ford: 352-428 FE, cam bearings ... $25.39

MEL-M57HV Ford: 330-462 FE engines, high volume oil pump ... $32.95

ARP-154-7902 Ford: 360-428, chromemoly steel, black oxide finished, oil pump driveshaft ... $16.95

ARP-155-6002 Ford: 390-428, 3/8 in. diameter, high performance, connecting rod bolts ... $49.95

FEL-KS2307 Ford: 332-428 FE, complete engine gasket kit ... $63.99

CRN-99042-1 3/8 in., 7 degree, single groove locks ... $9.50

CRN-99822-16 3/8 in. valve stem diameter, .531 in. guide O.D., .620 in. seal O.D., Hi-Performance Teflon valve stem seal se... $23.95

 

Your gasket kit will come with valve stem seals. The springs are still wrong. If you want to look up the spring number at summit just put a CRN- infront of it. So the spring kit part number there is crn-13309-1. I think you pretty much have everything. I suppose you are going to get the main and rod bearings from the machinist. $2,000 is a good plan. You will probably get everything done right and still get to keep some of that money.

 

actually I think he's got the spring part number right (it's a kit that comes with retainers)......and since it's a single, yeah you can just use the valve seals that come in the gasket kit.....I think the Summit timing chain costs $48....

How about a 1" spacer for that carb....?


I think you have a pretty nice combo there.....I'm putting something similar togeather.....I'm thinking of getting the crane 343941 grind and maybe a 600cfm carb.......

Sometimes Summit has coupon codes that can save you 10% or so......I don't now of any that are available right now but there may be some....

good luck

 

I am not understnding where that number is coming from. According to the crane site and summit racing the correct part number for the spring (spring and retainer) kit for that cam is crn-13309-1. Where is this other part number coming from? It is for a 335 series engine.

 

Yeah summit lists it for the 335 series but if you look it seems to contain the correct spring number for the 390.....

 

It may have the sam spring but I cannot say for sure that the 335 uses the same valve stem diameter that the 335 does therefore the retainers might be unusable. I would get the one crane recommends. I still don't know how you all came up with that number.

 

point taken........

that kit does have the wrong retainers.......I'm not sure how he came up with that part number I was just looking at the parts that were in it....

like ratsmoker says
use summit # CRN-13309-1 it's the same price