Hey guys, Noob on the forum here,
I am a rather young kid that does some basic work on Ford diesel trucks and there has always been a dilemma on my mind and I am sure that this same thing troubles other Ford lovers. I have all sorts of friends that try to argue with me that Ford diesel trucks SUCK compared to the likes of the cummins and or the duramax? And I never have a good comeback for them. I am not looking for some snappy acronym because that shows know knowledge in the vehical you support. I am looking for some comebacks that include cold hard facts on why us (as ford users and lovers) know (or think) that the powerstroke is the best diesel out there. I have never done work on a cummins or a duramax because that's not what the shop I work at does so I have no background info on either of those other trucks to make myself look right in the bickering conversation. And just so nobody pesters me about this, I know I say the name of the engine in this post but that's just how I talk about the truck as a whole. So I am looking at all three of these trucks as a whole, not Just there engine. Really get specific with these comebacks so I can feel more correct in arguments Thanks guys.

 

When you get more mature (older) you won't care what they say. Just tell them that they are entitled to their opinion and then walk away. Do that once or twice and they will give up pestering you.

 

^^ What he said.

 

You might get to the point where you dont care but getting away from hecklers is difficult. Take into account though, no matter what you tell these guys it probably wont sway their opinion. Typically when a person is rooted in a brand nothing can be said to change that.

That being said, my Chevy friends are definitely the most abnoxious. The duracrap may be fast, but ford has the solid front axle which is a huge point to many. Ford also kept their 6 speed quite a bit longer than chevy. They sit higher stock (always have) and I believe they come with bigger tires too.

 

See this is what i have been looking for, its the little things that you just showed me. I didn't want "well oh this year to this year had this wrong with this" and you gave me just what I needed, Thanks!

 

Hey they all have flaws, Chevys we have owned for years, constantly replace interior door handles because the cheap pot metal breaks, emergency flasher buttons get dirt in them and won't function. Horns are known to blow as you turn the steering wheel.Front suspension will eventually sag and has to be cranked up. Door mirrors are worthless- full of blind spots. bugs and debris hit them and bounce into drivers face and chest when the window is down I have to wear saftey sunglasses cause of this. Fuel tank venting is prone to failures due to road dust. 600.00 fix ea. time for that one.Radiator tanks are prone to cracking on the left side where the engine oil enters, due to the heat stress. Sheet metal bends easy..We call em recycled coors cans.. Their gas rigs hold up well other wise, several of ours are over 300,000 miles and going strong.
First couple of years the trans. on Duramax's were junk, low speed jerking..
Best feature is Onstar.
I enjoy my Ford a lot better.The seats are more comfortable. dash layout is better.

 

Thats a funny post Flamebuster I love it Yea I worked as a fleet mech, and we had a lot of chevy trucks, and i replaced a lot of broken inside door handels, and radiators , we used some of them as trash bin trucks, the 2500 and the 3500 series, the frames were shortened, and the trash bin was at the back with the forks, the frames would always crack at the front, behind the front tire, sometimes they would tow the Bin truck back to the yard , with the frame cracked in two, I have straightened and rewelded frames and gusseted them many times, and then they will break some where else LOL I told them to buy fords, they did, and no more broken frames how about that I love fords, I bought a chevy truck for my son, I dont like him very much Just kidding, Take care, Chellie

 

Pre '08 our company had 3 GM trucks, 2 2500 gassers and 1 3500 duramax.

2500's were 2WD and had comfy interior, the big 8100 gas motor that got 6 MPG when towing and they held up well.

3500 diesel was used for heavy trailering, it was 2WD. Interior was nice, engine was ok. Front suspension wore out twice, tie rod ends, linkage, etc..We burned up front tires every 20K miles, no ability to have solid alignment and camber.

In '08 I was shopping for a new truck, went to GMC and crawled around underneath the new 2500 diesel. Did the same thing at the Ford dealer. Both trucks 4X4. I was truly shocked at the difference in bolts/fasteners, frame, torsion bars, axles, ball joints, leaf springs, brakes, drive shafts, wheels. Everything on the GM was lighter/smaller, I mean everything! So then I drove the Ford 250 diesel home.

I don't think you can really argue that a PowerStroke is better than a Cummins or a Duramax unless you are comparing the new 6.7 or maybe the last 7.3. I don't really get into that stuff myself, all engines are just fine, depends on what you like.

 

Ha Ha Ha! The best feature is something that has nothing to do with the quality of the vehicle.

 

You don't buy an engine, you buy a truck. Frankly, the Power Stroke is not the best engine. But the overall truck package is best, in my opinion.

 

I agree... the best diesel is probably the Cummins but the rest of the Ram feels like something made in China...total crap.

Chevy's are just not as tough as their ads make you believe them out to be as mentioned above, alot of things breaking and cracking over time. We've had several in my company.

The SD's have had their share of problems but as a total package are the best product out there. Even my 6.0 has been great. They were the first to come out with the Tow Command feature (the initial reason I bought the SD) and it is one of the best features a truck can have if you tow alot. The new SD's even have sway control built into the system.

The new SD's look like they're going to be the best yet if early comments are any indication combinig great power with great (for a big truck) mileage.

 

No one mentioned the nightmare of electrical problems that 99-on (GMT800) GM trucks have. My 04 2500HD had a ton. Dash lights would stop working randomly. I had buttons on the radio that didn't illuminate. The A/C controller would illuminate, then only half, then only in parts. I replaced the unit 2 times (with used units) and had the same problems. Salvage yards sell through tons of electrical components for those trucks and SUVs as they always fail. My ABS control module would stop working anytime the outside temperature dropped below freezing. I just had to deal with a bright ABS light and BRAKE light and "SERVICE BRAKE SYSTEM" on the DIC. Had it checked at a dealer and at that time their scan tool didn't even detect that the control module was even connected to the truck. Also, (had the Allison) if you got in the truck, started the engine and shifted out of park too quickly, you would get "SHIFT RANGE INHIBITED" message on the DIC. You would have to shift it back into Park, turn it off, start it back, pause 2 or 3 seconds, then shift into reverse or drive. The plastic on the top of the dash around the defrost vents would bow up due to the heat of the defroster in the winter (that truck had one mean hot heater.) There is a known issue with the gauge clusters failing. Erratic readings, needles shooting to 100mph, then back or to 100 mph and staying, or temp or fuel gauges going erratically up and down. I had to call GM directly about the issue to find out that they had a no-cost replacement on the clusters if the truck had less than 70K miles. Mine did, but before this I took mine to the dealer about my transmission temperature gauge not working. It worked when I got the truck, then started staying close to the bottom. The dealer claimed that the temp sensor in the transmission was bad (showing my fluid was only 32 degrees). Big lie there as I had an independent shop scan tool the thing and it was sending correct readings, and that the gauge was reading incorrectly. The dealer did not volunteer to replace the cluster under warranty until I pushed the facts I had gotten from GM, which is very dishonest. Other than electrical the steering box was leaking fluid (a $700 repair I opted not to do), the fan clutch was going out, and I had to replace a U-joint. All this with less than 70K miles. The 8100 Vortec engine was great if you didn't mind 12 mpg, but I was still able to hang with the diesels. That engine is rated to tow the same as the Duramax. The interior was far more comfortable in the Chevy. The seats felt like a sofa, but my Ford feels much more like a truck as it should.

 

Only thing I would like to add is that the Cummins is an outsourced engine, not a MOPAR engine (much the way that the Powerstroke is not a Ford but an International engine). The first one to put it into a truck was Ford famed Jack Roush, BTW. But I completely agree with the above stated, just shrug it off.
On another note, Ford was the only one of the big three not to have to get a hand out from us taxpayers. They did it with proper investing and good vehicles. That added to the fact that they have better numbers than the other two manufacturers and that the F series trucks have the highest in loyalty and the best selling for over 35 years in a row make Ford a hands down winner!
BTW, in the test where the Ford, Chevrolet, and Dodge were tested head to head for 2011, they had to limit the weight towed because the Dodge would only pull a little over 9,000#.

 

Your absolutely correct; I forgot how after 2 years the **** lights start going and the back illumination for the radio buttons. And there is no easy fix either.. Only had 1 pickup with gauge problems but it was 8 yrs. old..And don't even start on the Suburban their isn't enough time to tell what a piece of s---- they are. I owned one for a year and got rid of it, a year too late... if you get my meaning..

My son in law loves Dodge and says as long as you buy a 3/4 ton or heavier they are great. But ask his mechanic and he will tell you about the transmission that fell out on the hiway. The turbos that go out. All the ball joints, pitman and idler arms, tie rod ends that go out. Steering boxes that come loose, frame cracks, and broken shock mtgs.. Ha Ha, don't sound so great to me..But I have never owned one so it is one for one against score.
Since owning Fords I will take them any day over the other brands.

 

doesnt matter how good the motor is if its set inside a crap truck..

but i'd stack the new 6.7 Scorpion against anyones truck..

finaly its a real FORD motor, so if its great or crap you know whos at fault..