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Jacob, in the end it will purely be up to your budget and what your goals are. I think if i were in your shoes i would look into the Modded 17* from Joey at Terminator Engineering and the Adrenaline. They are both basically reman pumps except one is cheaper than the other and both have different internal mods done for a better performing pump.
Bob, I have used quite a few of your products and I like how they perform now that i have the kinks worked out of them(CPR, HPX, etc.). With that said, I have no doubt that your pump works, but here is what i'm starting to see in this thread... Jim just stated his OPINION on the pump and that is all that his reply was, an OPINION. He simply stated what HE would do which may or may not differ from the next person may do.. I do NOT feel like that was aimed toward bashing you in any way, form, or fashion. I honestly don't see the reason for getting so defensive on the pump. I did not see Jim trying to sell anything of his anywhere in this thread or say that your pump doesn't perform or question it's reliability so it sucks that you had to get defensive right off the bat... I may want to try out an adrenaline for testing purposes against the Modded 17* though.
Jim, i really don't even feel like a stock 17* is a great buy even brand new. i like the modded 17* better, IMO, even though it is a "used" or "reman" pump or whatever you like to call it.. Cody used to set the CEL on his DIY stage 1's in No. 3. When i put the modded 17* in my truck with those exact same injectors i never saw a CEL and the pump kept up great. Now with your 2's the pump still has more it can do with IPR DC% maxing at about 37% and 2500psi. i have to assume that the ICP is 2500psi b/c of how Tony tuned it. the ICP the first time Tony live tuned it, it was over 3000 psi w/ IPR DC% only at 43%... I have to be happy with those results even though i don't know what Cody was seeing in his old truck w/ the 1's.
Bob, I have used quite a few of your products and I like how they perform now that i have the kinks worked out of them(CPR, HPX, etc.). With that said, I have no doubt that your pump works, but here is what i'm starting to see in this thread... Jim just stated his OPINION on the pump and that is all that his reply was, an OPINION. He simply stated what HE would do which may or may not differ from the next person may do.. I do NOT feel like that was aimed toward bashing you in any way, form, or fashion. I honestly don't see the reason for getting so defensive on the pump. I did not see Jim trying to sell anything of his anywhere in this thread or say that your pump doesn't perform or question it's reliability so it sucks that you had to get defensive right off the bat... I may want to try out an adrenaline for testing purposes against the Modded 17* though.
Jim, i really don't even feel like a stock 17* is a great buy even brand new. i like the modded 17* better, IMO, even though it is a "used" or "reman" pump or whatever you like to call it.. Cody used to set the CEL on his DIY stage 1's in No. 3. When i put the modded 17* in my truck with those exact same injectors i never saw a CEL and the pump kept up great. Now with your 2's the pump still has more it can do with IPR DC% maxing at about 37% and 2500psi. i have to assume that the ICP is 2500psi b/c of how Tony tuned it. the ICP the first time Tony live tuned it, it was over 3000 psi w/ IPR DC% only at 43%... I have to be happy with those results even though i don't know what Cody was seeing in his old truck w/ the 1's.
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Seemed to be some mis-communication here from what I've read. All about whether it was a used pump which has better parts in it means it's a better pump.
Nothing wrong with that. That's what most do on here if you can make something work better by all means go for it whether it's rebuilt really isn't an issue.
I have the early Power stroke and would love for it to have 300hp and 550ft lbs of torque like the 2002 models.
Numbers may not be exact but I know mine is a whopping 215hp. lol
Nothing wrong with that. That's what most do on here if you can make something work better by all means go for it whether it's rebuilt really isn't an issue.
I have the early Power stroke and would love for it to have 300hp and 550ft lbs of torque like the 2002 models.
Numbers may not be exact but I know mine is a whopping 215hp. lol
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Hello, my name's Jennifer. As the official Dieselsite lurker for the forums you can PM me regarding a link to the thread where we give you the chance to try an Adrenaline before you buy it. Let me address DZL JIM though,
Me too after I read this:
Which sounds a lot like this post you made:
Weird, too. Because look what I found:
And my personal favorite:
Forgive me though... I'm going off topic. Back to the point at hand:
Okay!
This isn't exactly what I'd call a 'friendly' opinion post. Actually, it seems to me as though you've already made up your mind. I personally enjoy how certain you seem that our pump is tired and probably won't last very long AND that it's completely used.
Ah, yes. I could be wrong here but this post seems to imply that our 'worn out pump' is just a swash plate modification. Remember, you're supposed to be stating opinions here not slander or false facts.
You sure?
Hmm... When I want to learn more about McDonald's I call Burger King instead.
Nothing insulting or slanderous about this at all.
So, to finalize: You don't care anything about our pump. You've apparently never bought one or used one. Yet you some how feel you have the right to come out and share your "opinion" regarding said pump in what is a very negative manner. Not to mention that most of your negative opinions can be proven... errr... incorrect.
... *facepalm*
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
The term "New low" comes to mind...
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
You will gets lots of opinons on this. Mine is the Adrenaline is a lot of money for a used pump. Yes, it flows more oil than a 17° HPOP, but IMO that same money is better spent on a new 17° pump that will most likely be all the oil you'll need for the typical injector upgrdades....Until you go with reeeeaaaaly big injectors.
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
Most of my customers that had the Adrenaline and stock injectors didn't notice anything.
Originally Posted by sdan27
I still have my stock injectors and saw a definate improvement with the Adrenaline. Much more responsive throttle. Gained about 20 miles per tank of fuel as well.
Originally Posted by rusty1161
I just finished installing my Adrenaline HPOP in my 1997 F250, and I really like it. Stock injectors, fuel system and 80HP Econo and 60HP Tow programs from DP-Tuner are running great. Well, I drove the truck to work this morning on a route I have taken many, many times. It ran awesome. There is a small hill to get to the 60 Freeway that the truck would not hold 4th gear at 45-50 mph without downshifting to 3rd, this morning it held great and just kept pulling. When I got on the freeway, I accelerated like I usually do and it pulled harder than it ever has and kept pulling and pulling. Granted, this truck has almost 175,000 miles, but it pulled better than the 1996 F250 with 4:10s that I had bought new. Now I will check MPG for several tanks and post those and more observations. I am really happy with this investment and I feel it was a great replacement for my old HPOP and in preparation for Stage 1's.
Originally Posted by jku72
In cold weather, like 20F that it was this morning, the truck started up much quicker, and ran much smoother, like it was already warmed up. It was much more quiet especially during the warmup phase, and slightly quieter when at temperature. I have a total stock fuel side, with not even a prepump or in-tank mod yet, so my truck is a cackler. It still cackles, but a lot of the general racket seems to have faded, which is nice. As for power, it seems much more repsponsive to throttle changes. There is definitely more power there, I just need to run the autoenginuity on it to see what the real numbers are. I'm running a 40-80-120 HP Dp-tuner, with a GTP38 BB turbo, 4" banks power elbow & exhaust. Stock injectors.
Originally Posted by Grease Monkey
I second the adrenaline, It costs a little more than a stocker 17*, but way outperforms the stocker in my 00 psd. It has enough flow for room to grow if you wanted from the stage ones as well. I didnt think it would make a big difference on stock sticks but even with stock sticks i felt the difference with no custom tunes and it also shows on the dyno and it really really shines when the trucks loaded down and towing I tow heavy up alot of good grades pretty much all year long unless unpassable by snow, and this pump made me grin from ear to ear the first time I hauled up the canyons with my sea ray. IT REALLY does make a difference for the price.
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
Show me any trash talk, or slander.
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
For the money you're getting a pump with all used parts, and he will tell you that, but it's not very clear unless you ask. So for less money you can get a new pump that's not tired and will last a lot longer. Yes, it's supposed to flow more oil, but I have yet to see a truck that didn't run good with a regular ole 17° pump, unless you go with really big injectors.
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
The real dilema is that if you take a worn out pump and change the swash plate it will flow more oil than your stock worn out pump. So you should be happy. The issue I have with that pump (not Bob, or Bob's work) is that for the money it's still a USED pump...
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
I personally don't care anything about your pump.
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
I know what I've been told by the people I've talked to, you can deny it or be threatened by it or whatever, I don't care.
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
My issue is for one, your poor understandfng of how the High Pressure Oil System works in an INJECTOR, which you do not build or sell. DO NOT DENY THIS!! You've proven this to me the case many times, too. I don't know the first thing about modifying pumps, so don't think you know ANYTHING about injectors.
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
And 2, that people think that for the price, since the Adrenaline costs more than a NEW pump that yours is a NEW modified pump. Not everyone, I'm sure, but by far most of the people that I talk to are NOT aware that it has used parts. And since you will not verify what new parts are in there, and only admit there are 'reconditioned parts' I personally will continue to tell people their money would be better spent on a NEW pump. PERIOD!
Originally Posted by DZL JIM
I'm not trying to compete with you or discredit you. I never heard or said the pumps DON'T work and have yet to find a customer that wasn't happy with your pump.
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Ok, so what? I'm not allowed to move on and not want to argue with you guys anymore? Geez, grow up already...
You can probably dig up lots more posts than that if you really try.
I was refering to this thread, but I see for some reason I make you guys nervous about something and you feel the need to totally trash this guys thread.
A little too much
down there in FL?
I'm truely sorry jacob_powerhouse. I guess nobody is allowed to have and/or post a negative opinion toward any of Bob's products.
You can probably dig up lots more posts than that if you really try.
I was refering to this thread, but I see for some reason I make you guys nervous about something and you feel the need to totally trash this guys thread.
A little too much
down there in FL?I'm truely sorry jacob_powerhouse. I guess nobody is allowed to have and/or post a negative opinion toward any of Bob's products.
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Jacob, in the end it will purely be up to your budget and what your goals are. I think if i were in your shoes i would look into the Modded 17* from Joey at Terminator Engineering and the Adrenaline. They are both basically reman pumps except one is cheaper than the other and both have different internal mods done for a better performing pump.
Bob, I have used quite a few of your products and I like how they perform now that i have the kinks worked out of them(CPR, HPX, etc.). With that said, I have no doubt that your pump works, but here is what i'm starting to see in this thread... Jim just stated his OPINION on the pump and that is all that his reply was, an OPINION. He simply stated what HE would do which may or may not differ from the next person may do.. I do NOT feel like that was aimed toward bashing you in any way, form, or fashion. I honestly don't see the reason for getting so defensive on the pump. I did not see Jim trying to sell anything of his anywhere in this thread or say that your pump doesn't perform or question it's reliability so it sucks that you had to get defensive right off the bat.
Bob, I have used quite a few of your products and I like how they perform now that i have the kinks worked out of them(CPR, HPX, etc.). With that said, I have no doubt that your pump works, but here is what i'm starting to see in this thread... Jim just stated his OPINION on the pump and that is all that his reply was, an OPINION. He simply stated what HE would do which may or may not differ from the next person may do.. I do NOT feel like that was aimed toward bashing you in any way, form, or fashion. I honestly don't see the reason for getting so defensive on the pump. I did not see Jim trying to sell anything of his anywhere in this thread or say that your pump doesn't perform or question it's reliability so it sucks that you had to get defensive right off the bat.
... i like the modded 17* better, IMO, even though it is a "used" or "reman" pump or whatever you like to call it.. Cody used to set the CEL on his DIY stage 1's in No. 3. When i put the modded 17* in my truck with those exact same injectors i never saw a CEL and the pump kept up great. Now with your 2's the pump still has more it can do with IPR DC% maxing at about 37% and 2500psi. i have to assume that the ICP is 2500psi b/c of how Tony tuned it. the ICP the first time Tony live tuned it, it was over 3000 psi w/ IPR DC% only at 43%... I have to be happy with those results even though i don't know what Cody was seeing in his old truck w/ the 1's.
I have good sized II's and my stock 17° pump couldn't keep up so I tried the modded one. Well with my injectors I obviously needed more oil for sure. I could hold 85% DC and pressures woud drop to the low 2000's at WOT.
So you really need to plan for what you will be doing in the future when buying a pump. If stage I's is all you plan on then look at the modded T.E. or the adrenaline. If you think you will want more then look elsewhere. I now have the T.E. twin pump system and love it. There are others that are available as well but are more costly considering T.E. has many more options for big oil than what is advertised.
Ok, so what? I'm not allowed to move on and not want to argue with you guys anymore? Geez, grow up already...
You can probably dig up lots more posts than that if you really try.
I was refering to this thread, but I see for some reason I make you guys nervous about something and you feel the need to totally trash this guys thread.
A little too much down there in FL?
I'm truely sorry jacob_powerhouse. I guess nobody is allowed to have and/or post a negative opinion toward any of Bob's products.
You can probably dig up lots more posts than that if you really try.
I was refering to this thread, but I see for some reason I make you guys nervous about something and you feel the need to totally trash this guys thread.
A little too much
down there in FL?I'm truely sorry jacob_powerhouse. I guess nobody is allowed to have and/or post a negative opinion toward any of Bob's products.
Yes these are opinions and yes they may be negative but that, the last I checked, was allowed on an open forum. Jim is not "bashing" anyone he was just posting an opinion. That is what was asked for originally.
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Jacob,
Do your research on all HPOP options. Contact the sellers, ask questions, ask people who've used them. Set a budget for how much you want to spend and what size injectors your are planning to run and then pick the best pump for your needs.
In defense of Jim,
He is just stating HIS experiences, with HIS customers. Like he said, he doesn't sell HPOPs. He's an injector guy mainly and a very good one at that.
Plus, a lot of these products will act differently with different trucks with different mods, mileage, etc.
I don't see why why Dieselsite would stoop down to bashing Jim after accusing him of bashing them. Seems like a immature thing to do. Sure, defend your product, but don't make this whole thing into a bigger situation than it has to be.
Do your research on all HPOP options. Contact the sellers, ask questions, ask people who've used them. Set a budget for how much you want to spend and what size injectors your are planning to run and then pick the best pump for your needs.
In defense of Jim,
He is just stating HIS experiences, with HIS customers. Like he said, he doesn't sell HPOPs. He's an injector guy mainly and a very good one at that.
Plus, a lot of these products will act differently with different trucks with different mods, mileage, etc.
I don't see why why Dieselsite would stoop down to bashing Jim after accusing him of bashing them. Seems like a immature thing to do. Sure, defend your product, but don't make this whole thing into a bigger situation than it has to be.
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I too see something, either nervousness or the need to defend them selves. Not sure why.
Yes these are opinions and yes they may be negative but that, the last I checked, was allowed on an open forum. Jim is not "bashing" anyone he was just posting an opinion. That is what was asked for originally.
Yes these are opinions and yes they may be negative but that, the last I checked, was allowed on an open forum. Jim is not "bashing" anyone he was just posting an opinion. That is what was asked for originally.
Jim, thanks for sharing your opinion. I appreciate all that you do here. I like hearing your opinion on things.
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I've been checking the forums for over a year now for Bob and Sheryl. I've seen a lot - A LOT - of posts. From all different types of posters. We can't make everyone happy... so we're well aware that they're are going to be people out there who have a different opinion of our products. However, when there are people who make it a point to come out and bash our product(s) on nearly every post related to it... you tend to see it a different way. If there's a valid argument or complaint we'll happily address it and do our best to fix it. We're Dieselsite - that's what we do.
The Adrenaline has been out for A LONG time now with A LOT of satisfied customers. We're so confident with it that we allow you to try it before you buy it. I assure you, in no way are we 'nervous' about something. If that's what you see, then I'm sorry and I can't help you. What I DO see is hundreds of posts daily each with it's fill of useful information and misinformation. As the manufacturer of OUR product, we're not really going to stand for the misinformation anymore.
As for Jim... I could dig up more posts. But that wasn't the point. The point was to show you and everyone that you don't really have a valid argument of any kind to make the claims you do. In my eyes, all I'm really seeing in your posts is a lot bashing and nothing else. We've come out and answered your questions in the past regarding the pump and yet you continue to ignore us on our answer and are still telling people false information about a pump you care nothing about.
At this point, I don't care if you continue to give people whatever information you currently are. I'm just asking that you have a leg to stand on and can back it up. Your word that the Adrenaline does not exceed expectations when you've never owned one, bought one, or ran one (at least that I've read) doesn't exactly make things seem legit to me. Not to mention we never heard from you or any of you dissatisfied customers regarding a pump and it not performing as well as we claim it to.
EDIT - If you think this is bashing, then I'm sorry. Truly. I'm not trying to bash... I'm trying to make sense of an odd situation
The Adrenaline has been out for A LONG time now with A LOT of satisfied customers. We're so confident with it that we allow you to try it before you buy it. I assure you, in no way are we 'nervous' about something. If that's what you see, then I'm sorry and I can't help you. What I DO see is hundreds of posts daily each with it's fill of useful information and misinformation. As the manufacturer of OUR product, we're not really going to stand for the misinformation anymore.
As for Jim... I could dig up more posts. But that wasn't the point. The point was to show you and everyone that you don't really have a valid argument of any kind to make the claims you do. In my eyes, all I'm really seeing in your posts is a lot bashing and nothing else. We've come out and answered your questions in the past regarding the pump and yet you continue to ignore us on our answer and are still telling people false information about a pump you care nothing about.
At this point, I don't care if you continue to give people whatever information you currently are. I'm just asking that you have a leg to stand on and can back it up. Your word that the Adrenaline does not exceed expectations when you've never owned one, bought one, or ran one (at least that I've read) doesn't exactly make things seem legit to me. Not to mention we never heard from you or any of you dissatisfied customers regarding a pump and it not performing as well as we claim it to.
EDIT - If you think this is bashing, then I'm sorry. Truly. I'm not trying to bash... I'm trying to make sense of an odd situation
Last edited by Dieselsite Barbie; Jun 30, 2010 at 10:33 AM. Reason: Spacing - giant wall of text.
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send me a PM about it if your that curious. no sense in mucking up this thread any more than it already has been.
Jacob, if you need help deciding on an HPOP let us know. you will find several options. Let us know what your goals are for the truck in the long run, what kind of power you'd like to see, whether or not you ever want to upgrade the turbo, budget, etc. with all that info we can tell you which HPOP options will suit you the best and stay closest to your budget.
Jacob, if you need help deciding on an HPOP let us know. you will find several options. Let us know what your goals are for the truck in the long run, what kind of power you'd like to see, whether or not you ever want to upgrade the turbo, budget, etc. with all that info we can tell you which HPOP options will suit you the best and stay closest to your budget.
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I've been checking the forums for over a year now for Bob and Sheryl. I've seen a lot - A LOT - of posts. From all different types of posters. We can't make everyone happy... so we're well aware that they're are going to be people out there who have a different opinion of our products. However, when there are people who make it a point to come out and bash our product(s) on nearly every post related to it... you tend to see it a different way. If there's a valid argument or complaint we'll happily address it and do our best to fix it. We're Dieselsite - that's what we do.
The Adrenaline has been out for A LONG time now with A LOT of satisfied customers. We're so confident with it that we allow you to try it before you buy it. I assure you, in no way are we 'nervous' about something. If that's what you see, then I'm sorry and I can't help you. What I DO see is hundreds of posts daily each with it's fill of useful information and misinformation. As the manufacturer of OUR product, we're not really going to stand for the misinformation anymore.
As for Jim... I could dig up more posts. But that wasn't the point. The point was to show you and everyone that you don't really have a valid argument of any kind to make the claims you do. In my eyes, all I'm really seeing in your posts is a lot bashing and nothing else. We've come out and answered your questions in the past regarding the pump and yet you continue to ignore us on our answer and are still telling people false information about a pump you care nothing about.
At this point, I don't care if you continue to give people whatever information you currently are. I'm just asking that you have a leg to stand on and can back it up. Your word that the Adrenaline does not exceed expectations when you've never owned one, bought one, or ran one (at least that I've read) doesn't exactly make things seem legit to me. Not to mention we never heard from you or any of you dissatisfied customers regarding a pump and it not performing as well as we claim it to.
EDIT - If you think this is bashing, then I'm sorry. Truly. I'm not trying to bash... I'm trying to make sense of an odd situation
The Adrenaline has been out for A LONG time now with A LOT of satisfied customers. We're so confident with it that we allow you to try it before you buy it. I assure you, in no way are we 'nervous' about something. If that's what you see, then I'm sorry and I can't help you. What I DO see is hundreds of posts daily each with it's fill of useful information and misinformation. As the manufacturer of OUR product, we're not really going to stand for the misinformation anymore.
As for Jim... I could dig up more posts. But that wasn't the point. The point was to show you and everyone that you don't really have a valid argument of any kind to make the claims you do. In my eyes, all I'm really seeing in your posts is a lot bashing and nothing else. We've come out and answered your questions in the past regarding the pump and yet you continue to ignore us on our answer and are still telling people false information about a pump you care nothing about.
At this point, I don't care if you continue to give people whatever information you currently are. I'm just asking that you have a leg to stand on and can back it up. Your word that the Adrenaline does not exceed expectations when you've never owned one, bought one, or ran one (at least that I've read) doesn't exactly make things seem legit to me. Not to mention we never heard from you or any of you dissatisfied customers regarding a pump and it not performing as well as we claim it to.
EDIT - If you think this is bashing, then I'm sorry. Truly. I'm not trying to bash... I'm trying to make sense of an odd situation
Can you please answer this question. I think I know the 15* (97 an older), 17* (SD), and 19*(adrenaline) is the angle of the swash plate. Can you elaboratmore on how those angles effect the pump because I was under the impression (my own thoughts) that the 19* was a bit on the high side for that angel in which can cause premature failure. This is why I decided to go with the 17*. Am I wrong? I've always wanted to know the facts regarding this
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dieselsite is being a LITTLE too defensive on this one... jennifer is thinking a little too far into this one and is representing dieselsite VERY poorly, all this is doing is forming negative opinions towards dieselsite by new members who will read this who haven't even tried your products yet, so you may wanna either apologize or stop while you're ahead, just my $.02