Can AnyoneID this Engine?
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Can AnyoneID this Engine?
This post is a continuation of "Help Me Shroud My Fan." The truck is a 1964 F-50 with a VIn Code for a 292. The engine was probably replaced. The radiator equals the dimensions posted by AirHarley. It looks liks an FT or FE but that is about all I can tell.
I am sorry about the photo sizes. I spent much time struggling with Photobucket to bet these here and cannot seem to edit the size to fit better.
I am sorry about the photo sizes. I spent much time struggling with Photobucket to bet these here and cannot seem to edit the size to fit better.
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The only true way to determine which FE you have is to measure the stroke..ALL FE engines begin life as a 352 and through the evolution of the engine family it got punched up bigger and bigger. On the bottom side...immediately outboard of the oil pan surface on the driver side front you will find the blocks date code info cast into it. At the driver side front below the head area you will see a 352 in raised numbers cast in the block...ignore it...its on all of the FE blocks...
My hunch is it was an original identifier for the 352 engines, but somebody either forgot or decided not to change it for the other engines that the block grew into.
- cs65
My hunch is it was an original identifier for the 352 engines, but somebody either forgot or decided not to change it for the other engines that the block grew into.
- cs65
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Here is my plan:
1. Pull all the plug wires.
2. Pull the plug from one cylinder.
3. rotate the crank until that cylinder's piston is at bottom of the stroke.
4. Fill the cylinder with Everclear poured from a graduared cylinder until it weeps from the spark plug hole. It will not foul plugs or dilute oil.
5. Rotate the crank to capture the Everclear back into the graduated cylinder.
6.MLs equal CCs which can be converted to cubic inches.
7. Multiply by eight. That should give a good idea of engine displacement.
7. Mix the Everclear with soda, ice, a dash of bitters, some sugar and shake.
8. Pour and strain into a cocktail glass and enjoy a "Brooklyn Cocktail"- like a "Manhattan" but with a little extra zing.
What do you think?
1. Pull all the plug wires.
2. Pull the plug from one cylinder.
3. rotate the crank until that cylinder's piston is at bottom of the stroke.
4. Fill the cylinder with Everclear poured from a graduared cylinder until it weeps from the spark plug hole. It will not foul plugs or dilute oil.
5. Rotate the crank to capture the Everclear back into the graduated cylinder.
6.MLs equal CCs which can be converted to cubic inches.
7. Multiply by eight. That should give a good idea of engine displacement.
7. Mix the Everclear with soda, ice, a dash of bitters, some sugar and shake.
8. Pour and strain into a cocktail glass and enjoy a "Brooklyn Cocktail"- like a "Manhattan" but with a little extra zing.
What do you think?
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1958/64 FE engines have rounded valve covers without provisions for an oil cap or smog valve, have an oil fill tube on the right side front of the engine.
These engines were not installed in F100/350's, have two bolt holes on either side for the passenger cars motor mounts to bolt to.
1965/76 FE engines have pent roofed (aka wedge shaped) valve covers with a provision for an oil cap/smog valve. there is no oil fill tube.
The same blocks were used in 1965/71 cars, 1965/76 F100/350's, so all have four bolts holes on the block for the motor mounts.
1965 was the first year for alternators as standard equipment in everything except 1963/64 Thunderbirds, which had it first.
1958/67 FE engines use a different harmonic balancer than 1968/72. 1973/76 is different again. The balancers do not interchange!
Balancers have a stamped ID number on them specific to each type.
1966 was the first year Ford painted the entire engine Ford Corporate Blue, including the valve covers.
All 1960/64 engine blocks/heads were painted black. The valve covers were painted specific to the engine size, as this is how Ford ID'd what size the engine was.
For example, 1965 352 engines installed in F100/350's have gold valve covers.
These engines were not installed in F100/350's, have two bolt holes on either side for the passenger cars motor mounts to bolt to.
1965/76 FE engines have pent roofed (aka wedge shaped) valve covers with a provision for an oil cap/smog valve. there is no oil fill tube.
The same blocks were used in 1965/71 cars, 1965/76 F100/350's, so all have four bolts holes on the block for the motor mounts.
1965 was the first year for alternators as standard equipment in everything except 1963/64 Thunderbirds, which had it first.
1958/67 FE engines use a different harmonic balancer than 1968/72. 1973/76 is different again. The balancers do not interchange!
Balancers have a stamped ID number on them specific to each type.
1966 was the first year Ford painted the entire engine Ford Corporate Blue, including the valve covers.
All 1960/64 engine blocks/heads were painted black. The valve covers were painted specific to the engine size, as this is how Ford ID'd what size the engine was.
For example, 1965 352 engines installed in F100/350's have gold valve covers.
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Bill
The valve covers in the picture are orangeish red under the black. I have a set of the same ones in Orangish red that have Mercury over a lightning bolt.
What is the designation as tot he orangeish red?
Garbz
The valve covers in the picture are orangeish red under the black. I have a set of the same ones in Orangish red that have Mercury over a lightning bolt.
What is the designation as tot he orangeish red?
Garbz
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L/M passenger cars used different valve cover colors than Ford passenger cars....in some cases.
Examples:
1963/64 Ford passenger car 390 = black engine with gold valve covers embossed T H U N D E R B I R D.
1963/64 Mercury passenger car 390 = black engine with ? valve covers embossed M E R C U R Y.
1964 Ford passenger car 352 = black engine with blue valve covers embossed F O R D.
1965 F100/350 352 = black engine with gold valve covers.
1965 Ford passenger car 289 2V = black engine with gold valve covers.
1965 Ford 352 passenger car = black engine with blue valve covers.
Some years 292's used red valve cover colors. Dunno what year(s) Mercury had them.
There are FoMoCo valve cover color charts that explains all a this. I haven't seen one since grandma was a gal.
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Bill,
I assume the covers i have are mercury car and from 65 possibly 66. I have heard the orange red covers are 410? but have never been able to confirm that. I had a set of chrome merc ones that i recieved in trade goods The looked factory but may have been done later.
Garbz
I assume the covers i have are mercury car and from 65 possibly 66. I have heard the orange red covers are 410? but have never been able to confirm that. I had a set of chrome merc ones that i recieved in trade goods The looked factory but may have been done later.
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410's were only used in full sized 1966/67 Mercury Parklanes.
Why FoMoCo bothered to develop another FE engine and then use it for only two years and in a Mercury no less...is beyond me.
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Don't FT's have the exhaust crossover for the intake off center? I know for sure the FE and FT cross over passage is different. The machine shop I took the 390 I was rebuilding had a guy looking for a head for his and I brought in the two extras I had. Then it was pointed out the crossovers were in different spots. Thought it might help a little with the FE FT question.
Oh and then there is also the spark plug orientations. FE's are //\\ and FT are ////(?).
Oh and then there is also the spark plug orientations. FE's are //\\ and FT are ////(?).
