towing help
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From: Wayyy NoCal, USA
Wrong thread! Wrong thread!
Warning, Warning! Danger Will Robinson!
NEVER EVER mention whether the V10 or diesel is better!
They both have strong points. Bottom line, bone stock, they're both great engines. Just have to willing to wind up the V10 and consume a lot of fuel, or have to be willing to part with a lot of up front purchase and maintenance/repair costs for the diesel.
Granted, for high altitude, pulling seriously heavy loads, or if you pull more than 20K miles per year, the diesel is pretty much unbeatable.
The loads you mention, you should be fine with either. In my book, it's more of an economic / personal choice thing.
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I had my truck hooked up identically to what you just described last week. 1500 lbs on the tongue and 600 lbs in the bed. Before I installed the spring bars the rear suspension had over an inch before contacting the bump stops.
While a WD kit is important it as most certainly NOT dragging the bumper, or anywhere close to that. BTW mine doesn't have the auxiliary spring the SRW F350s and F250s with camper prep package have. Nor does it have airbags.
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The V10 makes its peak 362 horsepower at 4750 rpms, so you have to spool the thing up and hold it there anytime you need power. The 6.4 makes its peak HP at 3000 rpms, and is only 12 horses lighter, the 6.0 makes 325 at 3300.
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Now come on...seriously?!?!
I had my truck hooked up identically to what you just described last week. 1500 lbs on the tongue and 600 lbs in the bed. Before I installed the spring bars the rear suspension had over an inch before contacting the bump stops.
While a WD kit is important it as most certainly NOT dragging the bumper, or anywhere close to that. BTW mine doesn't have the auxiliary spring the SRW F350s and F250s with camper prep package have. Nor does it have airbags.
I had my truck hooked up identically to what you just described last week. 1500 lbs on the tongue and 600 lbs in the bed. Before I installed the spring bars the rear suspension had over an inch before contacting the bump stops.
While a WD kit is important it as most certainly NOT dragging the bumper, or anywhere close to that. BTW mine doesn't have the auxiliary spring the SRW F350s and F250s with camper prep package have. Nor does it have airbags.
I had about 3" to contacts on rear bumper stops, while probably a foot on front ones.
The truck was holding the angle just fine, but I wasn't comfortable with it at all. Add necessity to adjust the lights for such a load.
Mind there is no comparison in suspension strength between F250 and my F450.
As you can see bumper dragging was just an expression, since I have no rear bumper at all.
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Nice pic Kajtek! How much did that one weigh? I'd guess between 4-6,000 lbs.
And yes, I completely agree your 7.3L F450 has a MUCH heavier suspension than mine. Which is fine, wanna race?
But seriously, it's all about proper weight distribution and not overloading your axles. 2,700 lbs can be applied directly over the axle on an F250 and still not overload the axle, brakes, or suspension. Adding weight behind the axle is worse because it levers weight off the front axle and places it on the rear.
But the inverse of this is also true. Loading the 750 lb quad in the bed and placing it as far forward as possible would put some of the weight on the front axle as well as the rear. Same with a WD kit which will further distribute the tongue weight.
Ford already specified that a WD kit is needed above 6,000 lbs(or 8,000 lbs for a DRW), so how can you really say that you need a DRW truck to haul that load?
And yes, I completely agree your 7.3L F450 has a MUCH heavier suspension than mine. Which is fine, wanna race?
But seriously, it's all about proper weight distribution and not overloading your axles. 2,700 lbs can be applied directly over the axle on an F250 and still not overload the axle, brakes, or suspension. Adding weight behind the axle is worse because it levers weight off the front axle and places it on the rear.
But the inverse of this is also true. Loading the 750 lb quad in the bed and placing it as far forward as possible would put some of the weight on the front axle as well as the rear. Same with a WD kit which will further distribute the tongue weight.
Ford already specified that a WD kit is needed above 6,000 lbs(or 8,000 lbs for a DRW), so how can you really say that you need a DRW truck to haul that load?
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From: Breckenridge, TX
Wow that's a disc, in a bucket, sitting on a load gate? All a solid 6 feet behind the axle, plus rear wheels with weights, and probably water in them? I'm surprised you weren't bouncing the front wheels off the road, that's a literal TON put several feet behind the rear axle. Is that an Allis Chalmers?
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That is 1956 Ford tractor. The customer pulled the weight at 2600 lb, but that was probably just the tractor. I estimate whole thing with attachments was around 7000 lb, what is nothing on my truck, where I had 9000 lb forklift or over 10k of gravel, but as you can see the weight distribution plays big role.
I can only imagine what 1300 lb alone put on the ball behind F250 can do.
I can only imagine what 1300 lb alone put on the ball behind F250 can do.
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My lowly F250's front end weighs more than yours does. AND it has a longer wheelbase. And finally the trailer ball is nowhere near as far behind the axle as that bucket and disc are in your photo.
Here's a picture of my dad's 2010 F150 with a 10,000 lb trailer behind it. Tongue weight was somewhere between 1,000-1,200 lbs. And because I forgot the key to my locking hitch pin we were unable to use my WD setup!
This truck had no WD setup, and was overloaded by about 1,000 lbs. And it handled it just great. You're trying to tell me my F250, which weighs 3,000 lbs more than that F150, would handle 1,300 lbs badly?
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Well... that looks like extended cab with short bed.
Totally different animal.
Still I doubt it has more than a 1000 on the hitch . Than we are still spiting the hair over what might be possible in certain configurations only. I would be careful to advise about towing 11,000 lb with F150. Will somebody do it in regular cab and long bed, that might be a disaster.
Totally different animal.
Still I doubt it has more than a 1000 on the hitch . Than we are still spiting the hair over what might be possible in certain configurations only. I would be careful to advise about towing 11,000 lb with F150. Will somebody do it in regular cab and long bed, that might be a disaster.
