Ford has offically lost touch with reality
#91
built better: build quality, maybe. Materials quality sharp decline in past 5 years.
last longer: not anymore - again last 5 year is reversal.
more reliable: depend on timeline. 6.0 was not at first, now pretty good.
There is a sharp decline in quality of materials etc. by all car makers in the last 5 years.
#92
#93
Very true, but it's not just inflation.
Consider how much more complex cars have gotten in the past 30 years. I'd make a bet that that 2010 KR PSD 4x4 truck is more than twice as complex as it's counterpart was in 1970.
Cars and trucks today are built better, last longer, are more reliable, quieter, cleaner running, more powerful, and get better fuel economy than anything that was available back then.
This comes at a cost!
Consider how much more complex cars have gotten in the past 30 years. I'd make a bet that that 2010 KR PSD 4x4 truck is more than twice as complex as it's counterpart was in 1970.
Cars and trucks today are built better, last longer, are more reliable, quieter, cleaner running, more powerful, and get better fuel economy than anything that was available back then.
This comes at a cost!
If you look at the bones of a truck though, not much else has changed. Tires, frames, beds, seats, carpet, headliners, hoods, fenders, doors, windshields, etc, are made the exact same way they have been for 50 years. King Ranch leather is a lot fancier looking than the leather in my OBS Bronco, but I know it won't last any longer(I would even bet mine would last longer). My seats are 18 years old and have 215k miles on them and they look better than 90% of the SD's I see for sell that are less than 5 years old. If I need to get pictures of them for anyone to verify it as more than hearsay, then I can do that tonight....
#94
This isn't directed at you, but at the others who haven't yet grasped what I was saying. Yes, I know that the DISCOUNTED PRICE on that truck was $45k and that there are NO DISCOUNTS ON THE 2011. But once again, THE STICKER PRICE(MSRP) ON THE KING RANCH WAS $50K. The sticker price on the 2011 LARIAT (STEP BELOW KING RANCH) was $63k. That is less truck for $13k more sticker price. That is comparing both WITH NO DISCOUNTS.
Ok, you say you do not see any way that it could sticker for what I say it did, but you go and price them for between $52,500-55k (a few were two wheel drive, but some were 4 wheel drive). That brings it down to $52,500 for a 2 wheel drive(pretty close to my $50k). So some of the King Ranches from last year was still $11,400 less than the Lariat I looked at the other day. Even if it was one of the 4 wheel drive ones, you only got a price of $55k for it. That is still much less than the lariat that had a shorter bed and srw.
Ok, you say you do not see any way that it could sticker for what I say it did, but you go and price them for between $52,500-55k (a few were two wheel drive, but some were 4 wheel drive). That brings it down to $52,500 for a 2 wheel drive(pretty close to my $50k). So some of the King Ranches from last year was still $11,400 less than the Lariat I looked at the other day. Even if it was one of the 4 wheel drive ones, you only got a price of $55k for it. That is still much less than the lariat that had a shorter bed and srw.
This is exactly my point.
#95
$52,500 or even $54k isn't too far off from $50k. They may still be higher than what I remembered, but they are still LOWER than the lariat I looked at. Even if I was way off in what I remembered and the KR came in at $62k(which it didn't), it was still LOWER than that lariat. I wouldn't care to pay what Tom paid for his truck. But with a decently equipped one having a sticker of $63k, I just don't see them coming down that much.
#96
My truck still has the original window sticker in the glove compartment. It was just over $38,000. 2WD Lariat crew cab 6.8L/torqshift, camper package, 4.10 locker,etc,etc...
I just "built" the same truck online with a 6.2L, and it's only $42,275,and it has many more goodies on it than mine like power sliding mirrors, power rear sliding glass, premium audio system etc.
I don't see a HUGE price increase-even considering that the 6.2L is the base engine now with no V10 upcharge.
JL
I just "built" the same truck online with a 6.2L, and it's only $42,275,and it has many more goodies on it than mine like power sliding mirrors, power rear sliding glass, premium audio system etc.
I don't see a HUGE price increase-even considering that the 6.2L is the base engine now with no V10 upcharge.
JL
#97
Phillips91
What was the year of the KR dually diesel trucks you saw last year? My 2010 KR SRW CC LB V10 4X4 without Nav and several other options stickered at 49.5K The diesel option is about 7K over the V10, add that to the additional cost of the dually and the MSRP is most likely 57-58K. If I could have found a KR diesel dually for 50K sticker I would have jumped all over that.
Mike
What was the year of the KR dually diesel trucks you saw last year? My 2010 KR SRW CC LB V10 4X4 without Nav and several other options stickered at 49.5K The diesel option is about 7K over the V10, add that to the additional cost of the dually and the MSRP is most likely 57-58K. If I could have found a KR diesel dually for 50K sticker I would have jumped all over that.
Mike
#98
My truck still has the original window sticker in the glove compartment. It was just over $38,000. 2WD Lariat crew cab 6.8L/torqshift, camper package, 4.10 locker,etc,etc...
I just "built" the same truck online with a 6.2L, and it's only $42,275,and it has many more goodies on it than mine like power sliding mirrors, power rear sliding glass, premium audio system etc.
I don't see a HUGE price increase-even considering that the 6.2L is the base engine now with no V10 upcharge.
JL
I just "built" the same truck online with a 6.2L, and it's only $42,275,and it has many more goodies on it than mine like power sliding mirrors, power rear sliding glass, premium audio system etc.
I don't see a HUGE price increase-even considering that the 6.2L is the base engine now with no V10 upcharge.
JL
I'm still undecided about the 6.2 though. It's a step up from the 5.4 for sure, but I'm thinking it's a step down for the v10 guys. 1st gear is a lot steeper than before, so that will help a lot getting the load moving, but it is still way down on low end torque compared to the v10. I think that is going to result in a lot more downshifting and a lot more climbs at 5k rpm when pulling a trailer. That isn't going to help fuel mileage having to run it like that either.
#99
Phillips91
What was the year of the KR dually diesel trucks you saw last year? My 2010 KR SRW CC LB V10 4X4 without Nav and several other options stickered at 49.5K The diesel option is about 7K over the V10, add that to the additional cost of the dually and the MSRP is most likely 57-58K. If I could have found a KR diesel dually for 50K sticker I would have jumped all over that.
Mike
What was the year of the KR dually diesel trucks you saw last year? My 2010 KR SRW CC LB V10 4X4 without Nav and several other options stickered at 49.5K The diesel option is about 7K over the V10, add that to the additional cost of the dually and the MSRP is most likely 57-58K. If I could have found a KR diesel dually for 50K sticker I would have jumped all over that.
Mike
The main reasons I didn't buy it were because we have two houses for sale right now and I would like to get them sold before I make any big purchases and because that body style requires cab removal for the diesel. If I go with the 08-10 body style, I am getting a v10.
#101
Not 2X as fast. The Crown vic does 0-60 in 7.7-8.0 and the charger takes 5.9-6.2. The CVPI has 250HP. Some of the FHP cars have 304, but thats a whole other topic.
#102
I had a guy wanting to make an offer on one of my houses the other day and I already had a v10 picked out if I sold the house. 2009 KR, crew cab, dually, 15k miles, for $31k. The guy offered about $15K less than I was asking, so no sale. If I get an 05-07 I am more than likely going with a 6.0 though.
#103
Uh, no. Mine has a NPI 4.6 that fails a compression test ( under 100 PSI on all 8) and burns oil and it still runs 8 flat 0-60.
I am going to put a PI 5.4 in as soon as I find one.
I agree there, you look at 0-100-0 and I think it was an 6 or 7 second diffrence.
Why is that? You could get a V10 in that year range too.
I am going to put a PI 5.4 in as soon as I find one.
Why is that? You could get a V10 in that year range too.
#104
You could make a pretty nice sleeper out of one with a 5.4 in it. I've got two fox body mustangs I am needing to put an engine in. I've got a 351W and a 5.0 sitting in the garage, but I would kind of like to put a 5.4 in one of them. I saw where a guy did that a while back, but he had to do a lot of cutting and basically remake the entire firewall area to get it to fit. I already have one with a 351, so I would kind of like to do something different this time.
My first choice would be a 7.3, but the majority of those I find are in rough shape. I don't mind the engine having 200-300k miles, but the trucks are generally crap (ripped seats, steering wheel leather falling off, stains everywhere, etc). That and the 99-04 SD's had serious payload issues. I could go either way with the 6.0 or v10, but with the proper mods you can get really good mpg's out of the 6.0. Downhill with the key off is the only way to help the v10 lol. The 6.4 is a good engine and can get good mpg's too, but I refuse to buy something that Ford designs with the intent to keep me from working on it.
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