Alright, what do you think. Should we go to war with Saddam or not? Personally, I think we should go in there and stomp his Butt or shut up about it. We don't need the UN. They're just a bunch of old farts trying to fight an insane man (Saddam) with politics. And why should we care that the French and Germans disagree with a war. We kicked the German's butt twice, rescued them from Hitler, and for sure saved the French, ungrateful. I'm sure if we went on in there they'd be right in behind us eventually. It's not like they provided us much in the Gulf war anyway.

We already have information of hundreds or thousands of missiles un-declared from what we found during the Gulf war. I wonder when it's gonna be enough for the UN to want to fight a war? Is it when some plague hits a friendly country somewhere from one of Insanes's missiles? It'll be a little too late. And then it really only leaves one viable option. That involves turning Iraq into glass (that requires extreme heat if you understand me). Come on and quit complaing about it . Jerk a knot in his. and send him packing, preferably in a wooden box.

Anyway, what do you people think?

 

Maybe if we play this right we not only get rid of Hussein, but also the UN?

 

I'll give ya an amen on that one.

 

if bush was to get rid of saddam and the un i think that we should crown him king!!!


-nathan

 

"ditto" that

Lets go in, and finish the job where his (Bush's father) left off.

 

Well Lets see here.. I was stationed at Camp Pendleton, Ca From 1998 to 2002. And they always said that it would Eventually happen again (especially Sep 11). As a matter of fact today at ten O'clock Tuesday 28th, my Battalion is on there way to Iraq to kick some Butt.... Too bad I cant go almost Lost my leg in 2001 (long story) any way I trained a big majoroty of the motor T guys and gals in the Bn and they are going to soon strut there stuff. Pray for em.

Anyway i think we should turn that place into a glass parking lot, Nuke em or A-Bomb.. that should do it. My buds are going to sign my name on a missle or some thing and take a picture and send it back to me... very cool.

The butt kicking will comence very shortly..
Semper Fi, Cpl Straub... Former Marine

 

This is an ongoing topic but I'd like to respond to the Nuke issue.

Umm...Yeah a Nuke will do the job alright. But what sense is there in using a shotgun to kill a mosquito?

The world knows what kind of man Saddam is. Should the world stand by and let this man get away with murder, threaten our neighbors (Israel) with death, support terrorists activities with money and safe harbor, oppress his people while he continues to build a deadly arsenal? Of course not. But only a few are willing to step up to the plate and make a stand. Perhaps those who choose to stand on the side lines are worried about their political survival or image. Maybe they don't have the stomach or they lack a good conscience. Sometimes doing the right thing is unpopular. Sometimes doing the right thing means standing alone.

We want to remove Saddam from power, not annihilate an entire population. We want to help the Iraqi people, not destroy them. If we go in to destroy the entire country without regard to the Iraqi people just to remove Saddam, we become just like the man we want to remove. A man with out love or compassion for his people or humanity. A man who would destroy all those around him for his own gain. Who would hide behind innocent civilians to save himself not caring how many die. No. We cannot turn the place into a waste land. We have a moral responsibility to protect ourselves and our friends. To help those in need. We are, are brothers keeper. Those that shun that responsibility I have no respect for. We can help the Iraqi people by removing Saddam and his followers and the world will be better off. Everybody knows this.

The Iraqi army is no match for the U.S. military. It won't take a Nuke to take Saddam out. Just courage.

 

I'm not saying use a nuclear strike just because, but if he was to use some of those chem. or biological weapons he has against us or some one else that would be about our only option. Once he shoots the first one off, he's not gonna stop till he uses what he's got. He knows the consequences though I think. Hey E4, OOHRAA. I love the USMC. Just had a friend grad basic last month. I'd have went in if it hadn't been for epilepsy and a broken leg. Love Mail Call with R. Lee Ermey too on the discovery channel. Wish your buddies well.

 

"We want to remove Saddam from power, not annihilate an entire population. We want to help the Iraqi people, not destroy them.
The Iraqi army is no match for the U.S. military. It won't take a Nuke to take Saddam out. Just courage. "

As usual I must agree with DD. Our quarrel is not with the Iraqi people, we have nothing to fear from 99% of them. The job is to take out this madman and try to establish some sort of stability in that region. That is why this war will be so difficult.

Afghanistan has shown us just how superior our military is to any army these countries can muster. A war in Iraq would (and should) be fought mainly from the air with very limited exposure to our troops. We saw in Desert Storm just how unprepared for combat the Iraqi forces are, with dozens (or hundreds) of their military ready to surrender to any American they could find (i.e. the press who were armed with cameras).

Lastly, most of the world has not forgotten that America has used a nuke before. And I'm not sure that many other nations have forgiven us for that. (I still see it mentioned in foreign press from time to time). I do believe that use of "THE BOMB" was warranted back then. For one thing it was reasonably safe since there was very little chance of touching off a world wide nuclear war. Today with the nuclear proliferation around the world, use of "THE BOMB" should be a last resort and should be expected to be met with similar retaliation.

We have the means to fight and win this war without resorting to extreme measures and with limited exposure to our personnel. A nuke would seem to be the easy end to this problem. Instead I believe it would be the start of a global nightmare.

Ron

 

when they talk about using nukes, they are talking about Tactical nukes not ICBM's. tactical nukes are low yeild, low megaton nukes that can be carried by fighters such as the F/A-18 Hornet. these weapons, such as the GBU-59, will be used to destroy the underground WMD bunkers without putting a whole battalion at risk to go in and sweep the place. it'll be the same as '91, the airwar will start and clear the way for the ground forces to come in and mop up.

they arent talking about lobbing the heavy hitting nukes on ICBM's. that would contaminate the whole region, our soldiers and make other "nuclear club" nations VERY nervous. if we let or ICBM's fly, alarms would go off all over the world and none of them would know where they were headed unless we told them in advance and i dont see that happenig. talk about a nuclear stand-off, this one would be GLOBAL and our Gov. isnt that stupid.

the "killing a mosquito with a shotgun" thing is invalid. the tactical nukes are almost as surgical as the other "smart bomb" inventory we have.

 

My 21 year old son got yanked out of School, and is on his way to Kuwait.

Personally I'd be more convinced that this is necessary if Bush were to make his two 21 year olds join up and get sent over....

my $0.02

 

yeah well, he doesnt have sons. his girls could go but they didnt SIGN-UP to be in the military. my best friend is a C-130 pilot and has been there and back and doesnt complain 1 bit about going again.

people like you amaze me. where the hell do you think America would be without the men and women who have sacrificed thier lives to give us the freedoms we have today? would you give your life to ensure you're childs freedom or you childs childs freedom? i know i would. if they need me, im there. you should be proud your son is fighting for your, his, his childrens, their childrens and my childrens future.

personally i thank your son from the bottom of my heart.........i think you should too.

 

Easy there, Ice. Drew's just making a point. My dad is anything but a liberal, and if the time came, he would do what had to be done to defend his family and his country, but it's very hard to justify loss of life (especially your own son) for a conflict so distant and far removed from our immediate interest, and that's the same way Drew's feeling. It's hard for you and me to understand, but you can't say "I know I would" until you've actually raised a 21 year old son, then you really start to gain perspective on the value of life. Life is the most precious thing we have, and our belief in that makes us American, it's why our laws are set the way they are, it's why our society works the way it does. Drew's not afraid of sacrifice, what he's saying is that it doesn't seem like Bush has much to lose in his personal situation. Recently, now that I'm 21, and graduating with an engineering degree in May, my dad doesn't hate the idea of protecting freedom overseas, but the fact that young Americans will die for this far-fetched idea is very hard to swallow.

On a more technical note, Iraq's attempted use of bio/chem warfare will result in our forces employing "battlefeild nukes", or tactical nukes, which are not even a full megaton, but in the kiloton range. This will do just as described above, it will sweep the battlefield clean while keeping radiation poison local. Saddam is fully aware of the consequences of him using his illegitamate weapons, and he knows that it would be nearly instant suicide, but then again so is drawing the US into war against you, so it's hard to say where his madness ends.

Meanwhile, the stock market suffers, oil prices keep rising, and anti-war voices grow louder. It's time to either put up, or shut up. Since the day Iraq was mentioned in the paper, the US knew it had enough evidence to justify a war, so now the delay is hurting our economy with exponentially rising consequences. I don't enjoy the idea of destroying a nation, but since we brought it up, and deployed troops, it's time to do something so that we can get back to business at home, I'm tired of reading about this, and I'm tired of watching our lives at home put in second place.

Either take care of business, or go home and take care of your own business, this is getting very old at this point. TK

 

TK- ya know i love ya man but i disagree. i'll email ya.

 

if it makes anyone feel better, im only 17 and if were drafted would be proud to serve my country. if the war goes on, i will put my time in. i dont take my freedom for granted, and i dont want a free ride. i want to beable to say i did something for my country instead of saying that i was a coward and in no way risk my life for someone else. im not saying every kid should go enlist, but if the duty calls i dont believe they should run to canada (no offense) or out of the country. if it wasnt for the the patriotism of young men, we would have never won our independence. its sad to see people these days tuck their * between their legs and run away. have you seen the way warfare was conducted in the revolution? theres not many people who would stand on the front line and suck that up that theres a 99 percent chance that they are going to get capped. same way in normandy imagine the courage on the front lines. thats why we are here.