Truck wars heating up - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

Notices
Ford vs The Competition Technical discussion and comparison ONLY. Trolls will not be tolerated.

Truck wars heating up

  #1  
Old 02-10-2010, 10:53 AM
powerstroke72's Avatar
powerstroke72
powerstroke72 is offline
Super Moderator
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: SW Virginia
Posts: 24,275
powerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputationpowerstroke72 has a superb reputation
Truck wars heating up

I'm a Ford guy through and through when it comes to trucks. That said, it looks like the 2011 GM trucks are pretty impressive from the following article. Granted, I'm not buying one but it looks like GM has improved their capabilities to some degree. Not bad...

2010 Chicago Auto Show: 2011 Chevrolet Silverado Heavy Duty First Look, Part 1 - PickupTrucks.com Special Reports

At the bottom of the article, there's a link to the other part of the story as well.
 
  #2  
Old 02-10-2010, 04:44 PM
dkf's Avatar
dkf
dkf is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Pa
Posts: 10,098
dkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to behold
Interesting. I suspect Ford will probably up the ratings also. I see GM went with a fully boxed frame and the article seems to imply a fully boxed frame is better. A fully boxed frame shure is stiffer but I don't think it is better than a C channel frame. If class 8 trucks had fully boxed frames they would probably crack them. I'm interested to see how a fully boxed frame holds up when it starts getting flexed a bit.
 
  #3  
Old 02-10-2010, 06:38 PM
Fordfanatic4life
Fordfanatic4life is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Richmond BC
Posts: 3,924
Fordfanatic4life has a very good reputation on FTE.Fordfanatic4life has a very good reputation on FTE.Fordfanatic4life has a very good reputation on FTE.Fordfanatic4life has a very good reputation on FTE.
is that front suspension out of the corvette, or their NEW HD truck ??

looks just as weak as every other front end they have offered since losing the solid axle..

NO sale...
 
  #4  
Old 02-11-2010, 03:28 PM
bill11012's Avatar
bill11012
bill11012 is offline
Modular motor junkie
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 6,190
bill11012 has a great reputation on FTE.bill11012 has a great reputation on FTE.bill11012 has a great reputation on FTE.bill11012 has a great reputation on FTE.bill11012 has a great reputation on FTE.
That front end is for soccer moms, not construction workers.
 
  #5  
Old 02-11-2010, 10:13 PM
stu37d's Avatar
stu37d
stu37d is offline
Government Teat-sucker
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 9,748
stu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputation
I didn't see where they listed the torque/ horsepower differences between Chevy and Ford. Wonder why?

I guess that's what makes the free market so great. Chevy is trying to build a better product and will force the rest of the industry to keep up.
 
  #6  
Old 02-12-2010, 07:18 AM
jschira's Avatar
jschira
jschira is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Arlington, TX USA
Posts: 3,952
jschira is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.jschira is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Originally Posted by stu37d View Post
I didn't see where they listed the torque/ horsepower differences between Chevy and Ford. Wonder why?
No "Official" announcement yet.

HP/torque numbers is a big game of chicken. They can tweak them within a limited range. So everyone waits for the other guy to announce its numbers, then "tweak" - "we beat that by 5 hp and have the highest HP available".

The puny little 310 HP in my 06 CTD yanks the crap out of my trailer already. I would rather see a MPG tune rather than a tune for a "Mine's bigger than yours" advertising number.
 
  #7  
Old 02-12-2010, 08:09 AM
stu37d's Avatar
stu37d
stu37d is offline
Government Teat-sucker
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 9,748
stu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputationstu37d has a superb reputation
I agree with the HP numbers game. I like it when Howie claims that Chevy has the highest HP of all the trucks, but forgets to tell us that you have to be at 5600 rpms to achieve it. He also never mentions torque in the commercials (I think). I like Howie, but I think Mike Rowe is way better for advertising.
 
  #8  
Old 02-12-2010, 09:41 AM
jschira's Avatar
jschira
jschira is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Arlington, TX USA
Posts: 3,952
jschira is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.jschira is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Originally Posted by stu37d View Post
I like it when Howie claims that Chevy has the highest HP of all the trucks, but forgets to tell us that you have to be at 5600 rpms to achieve it.
Chevy also does not tell you that the computer mapping has a built-in time delay.

You can't just punch it and get those revs and HP. You have to hold the pedal down for several seconds before the ECU lets it reach its full HP (verified on a dyno by one of the magazines).

So, pulling up a long hill, you can get the advertised HP and torque. But a few blocks from stoplight to stoplight, the engine will not go that high.

An MPG thing.

One of the magazines (maybe Popular Mechanics?) tested pickups a year or two ago and the Chevy had the greatest difference between published EPA MPGs and real world MPGs by a large margin.

Chevy is all about making things look good on the EPA cycle, which does not reflect how people actually drive their trucks.
 
  #9  
Old 02-13-2010, 10:13 AM
scraprat's Avatar
scraprat
scraprat is online now
Postmaster
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Itinerant
Posts: 3,410
scraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant futurescraprat has a brilliant future
Still looks like there playing catch up. Can't wait for the #s to come out and compare.
 
  #10  
Old 02-19-2010, 09:52 AM
LostMedic
LostMedic is offline
Junior User
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 52
LostMedic is starting off with a positive reputation.
Originally Posted by dkf View Post
Interesting. I suspect Ford will probably up the ratings also. I see GM went with a fully boxed frame and the article seems to imply a fully boxed frame is better. A fully boxed frame shure is stiffer but I don't think it is better than a C channel frame. If class 8 trucks had fully boxed frames they would probably crack them. I'm interested to see how a fully boxed frame holds up when it starts getting flexed a bit.

Is this a boxed sheet metal frame you are talking about ? If it is, the Mercedes chassis uses that in Europe in order to provide a better GVW, or so they say. The main problem is that it flexes when you go over a speed bump and a sidewalk. But you are right, once you start loading that or want to build a conversion on it. you start getting into real trouble and it needs to be reinforced. At the end, what Mercedes only won is that with a structural reinforcement built in by the conversion company, you get the same GVW than a C-frame. Too bad. And it's still not as solid IMO.
 


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

© 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.