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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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Hello all, I have a 2000 SD with 235/75/16 Toyo Mt Open Country's. Last year was my first time with it in the snow and I did not have good luck. I tried no weight in the bed, 3-500lbs in the bed and still would just spin the tires even in 4wheel. My buddies 05 F150 with stock tires handled it like its nothing. I'm used to my previous cherokee going anywhere in the snow. Is there anything anyone can reccomend to help with traction? I hate having my wifes 2wd Saturn Vue out perform my truck in the snow lol. Thanks
 
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 08:29 PM
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Only thing I can recommend is try changing tires. My truck has 20" stock Goodyears on it and rarely needs to be in 4wd in the snow and I dont put any weight in the bed. If I start to have traction issues 4wd cures them and it sticks to the road like glue. The other thing with snow is less throttle is best cause once you get those wheels spinning they like to keep spinning and that = less traction.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 08:46 PM
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Yep, tires would be number one. You've got a large void, large block tire which is not the best tire for snow. You need one with more "biting edges", something siped and an all-terrain would likely work better.

I've got Cooper Discoverer STTs and they are very similar to the Toyos. They are low side finders.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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Dude its the tires...... Toys suck. Had them on my 94 350 when I bought it 5 yrs ago. Put michlins on it, there great. 15 snow storms last year, plowed everyone here in northeast. My Excution has near dead goodyears, got through entire winter in 2wd(4x broke) w/up hill driveway. Just down pressured tires. Toyo aregood for tire swings.....
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 06:36 AM
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Are you sure it's in 4x4? I've run my SD in deep snow with almost no tread and it goes through anything.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
Are you sure it's in 4x4?
My first thought as well.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
Are you sure it's in 4x4? I've run my SD in deep snow with almost no tread and it goes through anything.
Yeah it was in 4wheel. I'm gonna pickup some different tires and see if that makes a difference I guess
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 07:26 AM
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Most MT tires will not work as well in snow as AT's when the snow is wet and the temp is near the freezing mark - as a previous poster mentioned. Weight will help a bit and so will a bit less air pressure in the tires. If its a big problem, different tires are the answer. I love my Toyos in any other condition except wet snow, and the tread wear seems very good.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wolver
Yeah it was in 4wheel. I'm gonna pickup some different tires and see if that makes a difference I guess
not to insult you but did you see front tires spinning or snow kicking up from front
maybe something wasnt working
i plowed last winter with my original generals 49k 235/85-16
about 4/32nds thread left (im just cheap)
never got stuck
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by LaredoF350
Most MT tires will not work as well in snow as AT's when the snow is wet and the temp is near the freezing mark - as a previous poster mentioned. Weight will help a bit and so will a bit less air pressure in the tires. If its a big problem, different tires are the answer. I love my Toyos in any other condition except wet snow, and the tread wear seems very good.
This I'm sure is part of the problem as temp always hovers around freezing (slightly lower/higher) and the snow tends to be wetter.

Originally Posted by joe chevy
not to insult you but did you see front tires spinning or snow kicking up from front
maybe something wasnt working
i plowed last winter with my original generals 49k 235/85-16
about 4/32nds thread left (im just cheap)
never got stuck
My wife got out and said they were spinning... This happened a few times unfortunately. Most were on slight inclines
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 10:29 AM
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I had Toyo Open Country's on my 00 X which was my plow truck too. I think alot has to do with weight. The X is a heavy bugger and hardly ever had to put it in 4wd. I plowed up mega snowbanks in just 2wd. The Toyo's stuck like glue.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 11:10 AM
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my swamper ltb's are great in the snow, suck in the heat cause i can't travel or they'll fly apart. but as far as snow, they are great, of course in the snow wider is better! mine are 33x13.50x16, they have a monster footprint. they also work very well in 4x4 mode and in the mud, sand, and other stuff (poo) any way toyo's do suck, i worked at firestone and if you want an excellent tire in the same size get a dueller revo!
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Downriver Thunder
I had Toyo Open Country's on my 00 X which was my plow truck too. I think alot has to do with weight. The X is a heavy bugger and hardly ever had to put it in 4wd. I plowed up mega snowbanks in just 2wd. The Toyo's stuck like glue.
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my swamper ltb's are great in the snow, suck in the heat cause i can't travel or they'll fly apart. but as far as snow, they are great, of course in the snow wider is better! mine are 33x13.50x16, they have a monster footprint. they also work very well in 4x4 mode and in the mud, sand, and other stuff (poo) any way toyo's do suck, i worked at firestone and if you want an excellent tire in the same size get a dueller revo!
If only these situations were the case for me. Perhaps my F250 needed more weight. It does make sense that since the snow is a little wetter and it usually hovers around 29/30-36 degrees maybe the MT's just aren't working... It was and if it happens again just extremely frustrating.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 11:46 AM
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As I've posted on several other threads here, M/T tires are NOT the hot ticket in normal snowy conditions on paved roads! Great for deep powder, but NOT ice or slush. The Toyos are among the best of the breed. Most are even worse. You can sipe the heck out of an M/T to get somewhat better, but a true winter traction tire will still exceed that several times over.

The key in snow is as many "edges" as possible. Each edge gets a little bite.

When shopping for snow tires, look for the mountain/snowflake symbol.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by superdutyduck
my swamper ltb's are great in the snow, suck in the heat cause i can't travel or they'll fly apart. but as far as snow, they are great, of course in the snow wider is better! mine are 33x13.50x16, they have a monster footprint. they also work very well in 4x4 mode and in the mud, sand, and other stuff (poo) any way toyo's do suck, i worked at firestone and if you want an excellent tire in the same size get a dueller revo!

er, actually the opposite is true. You want to increase the ground pressure to allow the tire to "bite" better
 
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