[updated:LAST EDITED ON 18-Jun-02 AT 04:39 AM (EST)]>Everyone is being very closed-minded here. I respect anyone
>that knows what they're talking about.

I hate to spoil the party, but don't
>think that just becuase you have a V8 it makes you better
>than someone

It's all about >small egoes and BIG horsepower, not the other way around.


>I love everybody here, but let's not get too arrogant, the
>last thing you want is to get caught running yor mouth by
>someone at the wheel of a twin-turbocharged Vtec Prelude
>running 30 psi of boost, and 300 HP ready for foggin', just
>in case you catch a quicker light.


I disagree with some your statements. Go back and read some of the posts. Not EVRYBODY thinks ricers are a bad thing. Someone stated that these young kids have captured the spirit of the hot rod generation of the past. I kinda agree. Another posts mentions giving the ricers credit. I'll go along with that. I'm not against bolt on's either. See my last post. Not trying to be arrogant, but lumping everybody into some catagory before reading everyones thoughts on the subject is jumping the gun just a little. Peace!

 

I remember my dad saying how my GTO'S and other muscle cars were'nt "real cars", because of his era and his liking for big fender cars. Point being most kids build what they grow up with, I was in the late 60's early 70's era, when muscle cars were king.
I don't mind the ricers so much any more as long as they are a quality build up. I can appreciate most "custom" rides and the time spent building them. I despise junk, be it a old Fairlane or a newer Honda, junk is junk. Can't expect kids of this generation to like what we like just like we didn't like a lot of the things our fathers liked.
To tell you the truth, Im not so sure my GTO would stand a chance on the street against some of these turboed hondas and such. On the the track where I run slicks is a whole different story though.
Tell ya the truth I wouldn't mind tooling around in a twin turbo Supra, of course I would have the windows titnted so my friends would'nt know it was me driving

 

>Tell ya the truth I wouldn't mind tooling around in a twin
>turbo Supra, of course I would have the windows titnted so
>my friends would'nt know it was me driving

LMAO!!!!

I like anyone who has actually put time into their ride and done stuff to it, not just throw on a fart muffler some cool rims, and some stickers and now they are fast.

At my school we have 5-6 ricers following one(I call him speed racer), the kid knows what he's talking about though. But they all buy Honda's, throw a big muffler on it and think they are fast. And if you don't have a manual tranny your not cool.

 

Most of the ricers I have come up against were mild rides. If you know your stuff, you can make a Ferrari out of a Honda (speed wise anyway). I don't know all about how to make an engine go fast, that's why I ask my dad and other people who know how to make power.

I just saw the first ricer I beet last night. He said that racing me made him realize that he wasn't fast and that he did more work to his car, and now he is fast. I saw the thing it doesn't sound good to my ears, but to each his own. Those little 4 and 6 cylinder engines can be pretty fast when done right. His 17 year old brother has a civic 4-cylinder bored and stroked out to about 3.2 liters. That's a big 4 banger. He doesn't race it much, since it's his only car, but that thing is pretty fast.

I like rumbling V8s and some others like bumblebee imports. Whatever floats your boat. A fast car is a fast car (or truck).

What I don't get is the ones that are so lowered they can't hardly been driven.

 

i'm not all against the rice-burners, honda does make a good car/engine. but i just wouldnt buy one nor mod it into a racer. i'm only 23, and i remember when i was in high school and looking for a car/truck, my dad and i used to cruise the "lemon lots" on base for a project vehicle. most of these vehicles ran in the $500-3000 range. i dont know if it was a military thing or what, but no one i knew would even set foot in a rice burner, we all had or sought after american muscle. most had pickups or old muscle cars. and they still do. yet there are kids who would rather shell out $11-15000 for a rice burner, slap a couple decals on it, a big ugly spoiler, and a coffee can muffler (farter) and call it a "hot rod". nope sorry. i prefer my truck to GROWL not fart at the competition, thats why they call me TYGER...i only have 2 decals on my truck, an FSU Seminole head (i'm an alumnus) and "TONKA" cuz this is my favorite toy truck, my project. and i like the bolt-ons, some anyway. for someone on a tight budget lookin for performance or to change the appearance of their vehicle they're an alright way to go. but i go for a combination of bolt-on and creativity or whatever u call it, do it yourself. i just think that today's auto makers should make better cars, bring back the low-growl of the 5.0L and make it affordable, and engines that are easier to work on, bring back the weekend mechanic, even my own ford engine is a pain in the a** to work on sometimes so many wires and junk. just blow the "economy" cars out of the water or off the road. but i think someone already mentioned the whole lawyers hovering overhead like vultures waiting for a kid to get in an accident so they can file suit...is this how far we have come? is this really progress? sad really, that automakers have to take that so heavily into consideration when designing and building new vehicles. cant make em too fast, got to be economical....:-X23
and yes insurance is outrageous, i drove for 5 years uninsured with the mustang because i lived in California and i was a kid and believe u and me, if i were insured i would have to have 2 or 3 jobs just to pay the insurance company.
all i got to say is to each his own, but he better not get too pissed when i lay down rubber at every light and leave him behind still wondering where have i gone...
Tyger9791
'96 Ford Explorer XLT "Tonka Truck"

 

>I remember my dad saying how my GTO'S and other muscle cars
>were'nt "real cars", because of his era and his liking for
>big fender cars. Point being most kids build what they grow
>up with

man, i was born in 84, so i grew up around the 90's cars. i can say i didn't like most of them. i did spend all my life around the truck i have now, so i grew up with that. my own perosnal opinions are that ricers arn't cars. i hate the fart mufflers. yes they are fast, but im a firm believer in the 460, 455, 512 ect ci engines, not the 302 and small 4 and 6 bangers. but then you can mod a lawm mover to be faster. it's all a matter of personality, and im a truck guy.

 

A couple of you guys are forgetting something here. If you put the technology thats in these little imports into our ford V8s we would be pushing frame twisting power. Example: Motor Trend did an article on the Focus FR300(you know the 300hp focus) against the Z06 Corvette. They said if the vette had thee technology that the focus had put into that 350 it would be pushing 800 hp at least. So what i am saying is ricers have the advantage of technology on their side but if us ford v8 owners had that same technology ricers would not have a chance if our V8s matched the engine technology that their little I-4s have.



82' Flareside: zoom zoom doesn't even begin to describe it
2/4 Drop
Soon to have 325hp 351 Clevo
(maybe more,in a 3600lb truck)
Backed by a C6 with a 2000 rpm stall and a 3.50 9 incher
American Racing AR-23 (series 23) wheels
Upgraded interior
Soon to install: Sony Xplod stereo

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 19-Jun-02 AT 06:23 AM (EST)]my own perosnal opinions are that ricers arn't cars. i hate the
>fart mufflers. yes they are fast, but im a firm believer in
>the 460, 455, 512 ect ci engines, not the 302 and small 4
>and 6 bangers. but then you can mod a lawm mover to be
>faster. it's all a matter of personality, and im a truck
>guy.

Well Vamp, I have to disagre with you there, Iv'e seen some pretty stout ford and chevy 302's and lets not forget about the Buick GNX, not a bad little mover. And lets not forget ,your truck with a 460 isn't gonna touch some of these "ricer 4 bangers" when it comes to handling and real world driving. A friend of mine who races in the craftsman truck series once said, racing a truck is like racing the box a real race car came in. Just because you got a 460 doesnt mean your gonna get it hooked up, some of these imports run like they are on rails.

Mustang 70, Some people can't afford the $50,000 plus base on a vette, let alone the another $30,000 in mods. As far as not having the technology that the ricers have?, we have double of what they have, people have been building v8's a lot longer than the 4s and 6s.

I bought a brand new Focus in 00 for $11,200, for a lot of "younger" people at least buying a focus is somewaht a reality.
Now before I get flamed, I was doing a ton of driving and needed something with gas mileage, so I got me a focus with a stick, and beat the living snot out of it for 2 years, best car I ever owned, not one mechanical breakdown. Only mod I had was very dark tinted windows,(car is not exactly a chick magnet)but I would of loved to stick some spring to it among other mods.
I don't care what it is I own, I will mod it be it, be it a moped or a viper,I have a love for racing and preformance vehicles, (thus my business). As long as it is engineered well and isn't a POS on wheels, I am a fan.

 

One equation:

More Tech = More $

Have you ever noticed that when the 233 Pentium II came out it was a hell of a lot more expensive than the original Pentium was at the same time.

We would be pushing a hell of a lot more power with V8's if we used more chip like technology, but then that isn't as pratical with the 460 because of the underhood temperatures, and even the 302s and the 351s and such can have a lot of underhood heat. The 4s and 6s do not have near as much heat underhood (even though the engine bay is a lot more compact). Just a fact of such engines. The 460 and the Chevy 454 are big victims of this.

460lover

 

im not gonna say that i like these little imports racing around town, im only 23 and i love the old school muscle car and old truck, but the fact of the matter is these little ricers are fast as heck and they get great gas mileage. i have a friend with a mitsu eclipse 4 cylinder and there isnt a mustang, camaro, or corvette around town that can touch him. his car is worth about 27 grand, is much faster then any car, and on top of that he get around 23 mpg. we have to give credit where credit is due, and the fact is they have comfort, style, economy, and are very fast.
as for me i will stick to my 99 f150 and my 79 F250 4x4!
gabriel

 

When ever i have to deal with these clowns who think their don garlets just because they added a fart can and a soiler, i use some of the folowing methods to make them shut their mouth. I only have to deal with one so some of these only work for me.

1. Tell him "I got a boat just one street down, lets see you pull that." [the boat is a 17ft crestliner alum boat that weight around 1000-1500 pounds] He usually pop back with "well i dont have a ball, bla, bla, bla, the suspension." Witch i follow with a stern. "ok, then shut your mouth about you car."

2. Thanks to the person that gave me this idea. I'll tell him fine, lets settle this like real men we'll drag race and the losser shuts up. He quikly agreed with this then i said,"But, not you normal drag race, we race starting with i rear bumpers touching." He though about it for a minute and said ok. As we are heding to our cars i turn to him and say "oh yea i forgot to tell you in this drag race the cars are chained together." He quickly backed down and agreed to keep his mouth shut for awile.

They work every time

Chris

 

Very clever ckrichard, challenging a little honda vs. a truck. One designed for economy and has been built up. One designed for towing hauling etc and weighs 3x as much. That's like the Honda challenging you to a slalom race. :-X23

 

>I was talking to an
>older drag racer at the last show who said the kid beside
>him had 40K in the new rice wagon. 40K! the motor i could
>build for my old girl with that......
>
>


40 K..?? If I had 40 K I'd probably buy this wild ride from my Uncle Charlie and have some jingle left over for fuel ~LOL~

http://www.xtreme-servers.com/69-Opel.jpg
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Some of you other old timers in here might remember the "Gasser Wars" back in the late 60's .. This was one of Junior Thompson's rides. My uncle bought it to restore and run on the "East Coast Gassers" circuit and I've been helping him work on it some...

It used to run a blown hemi on gas at about 800-850 horses .. now it's a blown alky Hemi and is pushing about 1250 horses.. ~LOL~

We're just about finished the rebuild and gonna take it out and disturb the neighbors here in a couple weeks up at the old closed down Vargo dragstip here in Bucks County PA... My uncle Charlie was one of the "OG's" up there back in the day and knows the owner...








80 F250 Ranger 4X4 cab on 87 Chassis --
1984 351W - Mallory Uni-Lite, MSD wires, Offy intake, 600 Holley, K&N filter, Shorty headers - Dual Exhaust with twin Flowmaster 50's, C-6 trans, American Racing 767's 33x12.5x16.5 sneakers--

Alpine stereo with 400W Jensen Amp and 2 x 300 Watt "boom boxes" behind seat - 2 x 180 watt Xplod's in the doors..

Still workin' on it!

 

I have to agree with everyone here. If you take a look at Ebay, you'll find the older muscle cars (stangs, cuda, goats) have jumped sky high in price. People who used to own these cars, probably never realized how much they'd be worth today. Next to my old job, sits a california special that some guy bought to rebuild for his son. But, since time has gone by, it just sits under a tarp. That's sad!

What's that car my hubby told me about? The ThunderBolt. In the glove compartment, it reads something like " This vehicle is intended for dragracing purposes only, and not intended for street use". He says they made white one that had a cammer 427, six foot timing chain, that was 650 hp on the showroom floor. A 9 second car. All fiberglass. Most older muscle cars had all the UMPH, stock.

Granted, imports are light weight, and economical. But, look at all the mods they have to put on (super chargers, etc), just to run good times. Honestly, the FART PIPES HAVE TO GO!!! I'd rather hear the high winding mosquito sounding indy's and f-1's, than a car that needs pepto bismol..

I prefer the older muscle cars also. I LOVE the sound of a big motor. In high school, my friends had the older ford trucks, california special, and a gto (absolutely beautiful jett black conv.). I'm sure they sold them for a cadillac, grand am, minivan, etc.

I'm not prejudice though, my hubby and I happen to adore the Subaru WRX Rally AWD. Everyone has their own preference.

Can you imagine how many vehicles they would sell if they brought back the old t-birds, vettes, camaros (yenkos), cudas? But, aerodynamics and emmissions is what the government wants..

 

QUOTE
>Marketing. Kid now days just like in days past want to be
>accepted among their peers. Yesterday it was the G.T.O.,
>Mustang, Dodge Charger, Challenger, Barracuda, '57' Belair,
>Chevy S.S. etc. Lots of kids had them or wanted them. Big
>was in.
>QUOTE<

...Well, not all of today's youth is beyond redmeption. I, for example, am 17 and have a passionate hatred for rice rockets. I happen to think the 57' Bel-Air is one of the most beautiful cars ever and my 73' F250 Crewcab is better than any lawn mower sounding Civic. : )

Lesson? Darwinism at work...I hear a lot more about rice pilots dying in auto wrecks than older cars and their drivers. There are fewer older cars, but that is beside the point...Ricers suck. : )

-Patrick