what happened to basic math?
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LOL!!! I'm probably a part of the 'metric generation' that they were talking about, but I definately know how to put my sockets in order. Of course, I also have a math minor. Maybe some Kentucky math will set them straight.
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Funny thing, they wanted us to know metric cause that is what scientist uses and its easier than converting from standard to metric. Saves the scientist time.
I say fine let the scientist use it, why should the whole world use it just because thats what the scientist wants. Either way up until 2006 when i graduated highschool, not once were we ever forced to learn the metric system. From working on cars i got a good idea if its a 8mm, 9mm, or 10mm bolt which seems to be the most common I see. But I typically use the standard sockets and their in order from 1/4" all the way up to 11/13" i belive it is might be 11/15" cant remember been too long since ive used that stocket.
I say fine let the scientist use it, why should the whole world use it just because thats what the scientist wants. Either way up until 2006 when i graduated highschool, not once were we ever forced to learn the metric system. From working on cars i got a good idea if its a 8mm, 9mm, or 10mm bolt which seems to be the most common I see. But I typically use the standard sockets and their in order from 1/4" all the way up to 11/13" i belive it is might be 11/15" cant remember been too long since ive used that stocket.
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umm..11/15"???? I believe Your talking /16" The SAE standards are 1/8-1/16-1/32
I know one thing, there are a LOT of young peeps out there that can NOT read a tape measure. I can't remember where, or who taught Me how to read one, but I CAN and always have been able to read a tape measure.
I know one thing, there are a LOT of young peeps out there that can NOT read a tape measure. I can't remember where, or who taught Me how to read one, but I CAN and always have been able to read a tape measure.
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yea, but it's no different .... basic counting
ever needed someone to list the sizes in proper order? LOL
ever needed someone to list the sizes in proper order? LOL
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Well, math went out the window when educators decided to teach "awareness months", "tolerance" and "diversity" instead of the 3 Rs. This was not long after they decided that rote memorization of the basics was too hard for some, so they stopped teaching them altogether. That's why you have cashiers in stores that can barely give you change, forget trying to hand them enough extra change so that you get only bills back. Now, add in the texting lingo, and many, uh, young folk can't, like, put together, um, a coherent sentence, like, on paper or in, you know, speech.
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I read that thread and agree with those who said that the sockets could have been arranged simply by looking at them and arranging them by physical size.
But, not all of us are mathematically-inclined. I suck at math - always have had. I've always had a tough time with fractions and I don't know why - it's like some kind of mental block or something...
I can't look at a nut/bolt and tell what size socket/wrench I need for it - I have to try several sockets before I finally get the right one...
I'm terrible with math yet, I have an electromechanical degree - go figure...
But, not all of us are mathematically-inclined. I suck at math - always have had. I've always had a tough time with fractions and I don't know why - it's like some kind of mental block or something...
I can't look at a nut/bolt and tell what size socket/wrench I need for it - I have to try several sockets before I finally get the right one...
I'm terrible with math yet, I have an electromechanical degree - go figure...
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Well, math went out the window when educators decided to teach "awareness months", "tolerance" and "diversity" instead of the 3 Rs. This was not long after they decided that rote memorization of the basics was too hard for some, so they stopped teaching them altogether. That's why you have cashiers in stores that can barely give you change, forget trying to hand them enough extra change so that you get only bills back. Now, add in the texting lingo, and many, uh, young folk can't, like, put together, um, a coherent sentence, like, on paper or in, you know, speech.
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I am metric generation as well, heck I NEVER use standard, and never have. I have been working on cars for 12 years, and my standard sockets and wrenches still look new! I don't know when cars last used standard bolts. I probably would have a time organizing mine if the socket trays didn't have markings!
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I absolutely suck at math, I need a calculator for most everything and I am NOT young, But fractions, decimal equivalents, metric to std., bolt head sizes, thread sizes are just a memory exercise. Spend a little time working in a machine shop or assembly line and they become imprinted in your brain permanently...........But, those would be manufacturing jobs.......We don't have those anymore in America.
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Jason,
I'd rep you if I could....
How about metric equivalents?
25.4, .039????
I about had a friggen meltdown trying to explain to some punk kid that the 3/4" wrench I handed him would work "just fine" on his 19mm bolt without causing damage.
Were these 20somethings born with absolutely NO aptitude or were their brains turned to mush in school?
I'd rep you if I could....
How about metric equivalents?
25.4, .039????
I about had a friggen meltdown trying to explain to some punk kid that the 3/4" wrench I handed him would work "just fine" on his 19mm bolt without causing damage.
Were these 20somethings born with absolutely NO aptitude or were their brains turned to mush in school?
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1" = 25.4mm, 1mm = 0.039"
I had those drilled into me in school, too. Not as often nor for as long, and I don't find myself needing them much, so some of them are a little rusty, but I still remember the basics (1 oz = 28.35g, 1kg = 2.2 lb).
No expectations, no disappointments. This starts and home and continues through the school system, where they teach to the lowest common denominator, AKA, the dumbest kid in class. Nobody fails anymore--it might hurt their "self-esteem". I have something for you, maybe failure will be the kick in the pants they need to succeed later. As if approaching the kids this way isn't bad enough, it applies to teachers as well. A perennially bad teacher with tenure is near impossible to be sent packing.
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I had those drilled into me in school, too. Not as often nor for as long, and I don't find myself needing them much, so some of them are a little rusty, but I still remember the basics (1 oz = 28.35g, 1kg = 2.2 lb).
Were these 20somethings born with absolutely NO aptitude or were their brains turned to mush in school?
Jason
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1 lb=454 gm's
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