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Old Sep 27, 2009 | 09:14 PM
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Fifht wheel towing??????

Got a 1977 F100 Supercab short bed. Its a 2wd with a 351M, C6, 9".

I should be able to pull about 8K - 10K on a fifth wheel goose next trailer right????
 
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Old Sep 27, 2009 | 09:39 PM
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ford 9", im assuming its 1/2 ton? might be a little heavy. its hard to tell, you will know when you start driving. if your truck bottoms out its too heavy,if you feel the trailer pushing the truck its too heavy, if you cant stop too heavy, cant go too heavy. depends on how far you have to go and what kind of roads your driving on. your probably fine though.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2009 | 09:47 PM
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Understanding I left out some info. Yes it is a 1/2 ton truck a F100 (I have corrected the original post). (not to sound like a smarta$$) I have years of experiance driving trucks with trailers from a ranger with a 3 rail motorcycle trailer to a 18 wheeler with a 40' flatbed. All your points are good and valid, I was wondering if anyone had used this truck to pull a fifth wheel gooseneck setup before and does it work.

Thanks for your input
Shane


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ford 9", im assuming its 1/2 ton? might be a little heavy. its hard to tell, you will know when you start driving. if your truck bottoms out its too heavy,if you feel the trailer pushing the truck its too heavy, if you cant stop too heavy, cant go too heavy. depends on how far you have to go and what kind of roads your driving on. your probably fine though.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 12:21 AM
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i think the f-100 has a much lower gvwr. than 8000- 10000 lbs. it seems too heavy to me.you may feel your safe to haul that kind of load on that truck,but i would confirm the factory gvwr. and stick to that maximum .you dont need to get into trouble with it being over loaded from the police. it could cause you lots of problems if you were ever involved in an accident too. leagally it could be a nitemare.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 12:31 AM
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Uh, the F100 is the lowest in ratings...

In short, NO.
 
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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 05:44 PM
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on my 79 f100 2wd with a 9", GVWR 4800lbs
 
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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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to chads statment "Uh, the F100 is the lowest in ratings... In short, NO. " The F100 and F150s had GVW's that crossed each other and maxed out with only a couple hundred diff.

I have not looked but all the research I have donw show the supercab 2wd F100 at 5700lb. The added lenght of the truck adds extra weight and rasies the GVW

I an just saying i had a 1996 Bronco and I pulled a 7500 gvw travel trailer on a reciever hitch with no problems. I have buddies that will 8kish on fifth wheel mid 92-96 short bed reg cab f150.

Guess I'll just have to try and see what happens.

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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 08:53 PM
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Your base GVW is 5500. There is no rating of 5700 lbs on a 1977 F100 Supercab.

1977 F100 Supercab GVWs: 5500, 5200, and 5650.

Fifth wheel and hitch towing are two different animals, so was the '96 Bronco.

I highly doubt that puny 9" axle rated at only 2900 lbs capacity will even support a fifth wheel hitch with the tongue weight loaded, let alone pulling something without shredding something. Just how are you gonna stop with the half-ton brakes?

Remember: The truck rated at 5500 lbs doesn't mean it can move 5500 lbs. You must account the empty pickup weight, then subtract the GVWR. The result is what you can safely haul.

You don't see any half-tonners hauling fifth wheels. There's a reason for that.

If anything happens while hauling a 10k fifth wheel with that puny F100, YOU ARE FULLY LIABLE FOR EVERYTHING!
 
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Old Sep 28, 2009 | 09:58 PM
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You need to find an F250 or F350 for fifth wheel towing.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 07:50 AM
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Ok instead of me being a jacka$$ letme ask this ????? The right way. I would like to equip my 1977 f100 2wd supercab shortbed, 351m, c6, 9"
truckso that I can pull a fifthwheel/goose neck.

Understanding that there still is a downward pressure concern on the 9" housing .....

If I upgrade the rear springs - will 250 springs fit or should I use 150 springs and a helper spring kit.
From what I have found the brakes are the same as the 150, shock on this truck are power front disk. Should I convert to rear drums, upgrade to a 250 brake booster?

(If the 9" is rear the concern I have a d60 laying in the back yard.)

So with this corrected stance can you re-respond hoping to get the information I would like to have.

Shane
 
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 10:51 AM
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Oh, lord...another mule.

Let me make this perfectly clear:

YOU...CANNOT...USE...A...F100...TO...TOW...A...5th ...WHEEL...!

No matter what.

Understand now?
 
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Jermafenser
Oh, lord...another mule.

Let me make this perfectly clear:

YOU...CANNOT...USE...A...F100...TO...TOW...A...5th ...WHEEL...!

No matter what.

Understand now?
YES it is clear, you are the one being a jacka$$, I normaly do not go off on people like this on message boards because it never ends wel for anyone.

So. With that said, I repeat there is not a major diff between the f100 and f150. They use the same body, frame, motor, tranny, rear axle, front suspinsion, shocks and brake system. If there is a diff at all it might be, as stated before, a minor diff in the rear spring rate. Yet the f150 can be used to pull fifth wheel goosenecks.

With this said, I ask that if you have nothing posiive to contribute to this thread DO NOT POST.

Shane

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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 11:42 AM
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Second comment if you feel so strong about you statement back it up. Give facts as to why the f100 can not pull these trailers. If you provide adiquit viable info, other then the " weakness of the 9" rear", then I'll shut-up.

Shane
 
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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Living in the heart of farm country, I see farmers using 1/2 ton trucks to pull all sorts of things they where not designed/ment to pull. I have many friends and relatives that have 1/2 ton trucks with gooseneck trailers that pull them.

Now you can do it, but can it be done safely and legally?

Safely. A buddy of mine just last week went and bought some guardrail to use as fencing. Rather then taking his semi he opted to hook up his 12k# gooseneck to his 2002 1500 Ram. When they loaded the guardrail he had them load it to the rear of the trailer so it wouldn't put to much weight on the truck. The problem is now the back of the trailer starts to sway at an sort of speed. To make a long story short, he was on back roads because he knew he was unsafe, he came down a hill only doing 25 mph, trailer started to sway, jacked knifed and sent his truck and trailer into the ditch. Now he gets to buy a new truck, trailer, guardrail, and pay $800 in fines for being an idiot.

Legally, you can't pull any more weight then what your vehicles GVWR. Not saying you can't do it, but if you get caught by a local cop that has his panties in a wad that day, or a weigh boy, or have an accident like my buddy, you will wish you hadn't.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2009 | 05:27 PM
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The GVW is only half the problem.
10000x.10=1000lbs of toung weight. Possible.

The gross combined weight rating is also needed. I do not know this, but I'm willing to bet it is not 15000lbs.
 
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