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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 02:53 AM
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E4OD questions before engine mods

got my new truck. 52,000 1996 5.0 auto, long bed, reg. cab. with 2wd.

Anyhow, I had a 5.8 1994 EB Bronco that I sold about a year ago so I'm familiar with the trucks, but not in a want to "go fast" type of way. I plan on taking the 5.0 up to about 360hp at the flywheel by doing full exhuast from the block, cam, heads, and a few odds and ends.
My question is, at what point does the E4OD need to be dropped and attended to, or can it handle 340-360hp at the flywheel.

I'm sure I'll need a TC upgrade, but I'm not sure at what point that would be horsepower wise.

The tranny is also kind of clunky once it gets warmed up. I'll be changing out the fluids the weekend, and hopefully that is that. Never had issues with my Bronco tranny, and I abused that sucker all the way to 200K and it still ran tight.
Any ideas on why this lightly used tranny starts acting up when it gets warmed up? Probably just the fluids, may be the original fluid for all I know.
Oh, and these 5.0's blow in their stock form. I couldn't believe when I picked the truck up how anemic it was. My Bronco with the 5.8 was stock except for catback exhaust, and it is like night and day between the 5.0 so I've got to get something in the works. I've got to have some power fast otherwise I'll never drive this instead of my 6.0 f250.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 05:25 AM
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The E40D should be fine , I have a 4R70W with about the same set up your doing and it works great . I would change all the fluid and install shift kit . If you want tire spining shifts i would use the B&M street strip kit , trans cooler and temp gauge... Lew
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 06:07 AM
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Thanks.
Anyone know about where I'd be sitting with K&N, headers, not cats, gibson exhaust, cobra complimenting cam, and heads with 1.7 ratio rocker.
Not sure if I'll need to mess with the upper and lower intakes with this setup, or if this will be enough to get me close to 340-360 hp.

I've read a million threads and I'm still fuzzy on whether a typoon/performer intake would be a significant improvement over stock with the upgrades I'm planning.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 09:01 AM
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Power developed depends largly upon the cam and heads, need to know exactly what the specs are. If you have heads and a cam capable of supporting that much power you will also need 24lb injectors and matching MAF meter or a tuner, and while the stock truck intake will support that kind of HP no problem a Performer/Typhoon or Explorer intake will deliver more TQ. You're gonna want at least 4.10 gears too.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 09:39 AM
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From reading some threads I was seeing it posted that I'd need 24lb injectors if I got closer to the upper 375 to 400hp range, or is it because of the 1.7 ratio?

Conanski, I've read through quite a few posts where you've commented knowledgeably about proposed setups, and you sound like you have a firm grasp of things, but I didn't see where you just came out and said "do this". I know the cam and exhaust suck, and I've seen that theme in your posts, but nobody really just comes out and asks you what you'd do to the 5.0 if you were in my shoes.

I'm looking for at least 300hp, preferably 340hp, and torque, lots of it. I want my truck to be quick, like 5-70mph quick. Screwing around fast, and fun to drive, but not so much 1/4 mile running. It'll be my daily driver a few times a week, and I want it to sound as badass as possible with a 5.0.

What would you use to breach 300hp without getting too complicated. What cam/head/intake setup would keep it simple, and get me where I want to be? TIA
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 10:51 AM
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What would I do with a 2wd street truck using the 5.0?

First is 4.10 gears.
Then a 5-speed swap.
Explorer/GT40 intake with Explorer GT40 heads.
Comp XR264HR-12( grind# 35-320-8)
Longtubes and a mendrel bent 2.5" exhaust.

Lew52 has a the GT40 parts on that green truck in his sig only with more gear and the E303 cam, ask him how well it performs.

I'll add that I'd probably jerk the 5.0 out and start with a 5.8 too because there's no replacement for displacement.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 11:22 AM
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Yeah theres lots of different ways to build them , but if you get 300-350 hp in a light truck you will have fun with it . I have a short bed & i lightened up alot , so its light for a truck . Mine will run lower 14s with out nitrous . Thats fast enough to run with alot of NA 5.0 stangs of that era , with a good trans & rear end & gears ( 410-456 )you wont have any problem spining 11-12 wide tires at will.. If you use the 302 you will have to build it more that a 351 to get the same HP , ....Lew
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Conanski
What would I do with a 2wd street truck using the 5.0?

First is 4.10 gears.
Then a 5-speed swap.
Explorer/GT40 intake with Explorer GT40 heads.
Comp XR264HR-12( grind# 35-320-8)
Longtubes and a mendrel bent 2.5" exhaust.

Lew52 has a the GT40 parts on that green truck in his sig only with more gear and the E303 cam, ask him how well it performs.

I'll add that I'd probably jerk the 5.0 out and start with a 5.8 too because there's no replacement for displacement.
....Hey Paul i was talking to my son the other day , & he was talking to the owner of a mustang race shop by his work . They also work on the gen 1 351 lightnings . They have be using alot of lunati cams but said they have been using the 5.0 HO cams out of the stangs & putting them in the lightnings . He said 40-50 hp gain. Says the lightnings like that cam... I guess because the SD ?? . Thats what i heard anyway.... Lew
 
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I hope you can read that , i guess i need to read it before i send it !!!
 
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Don't worry about the E4OD as this tranny also came behind diesels. There is major aftermarket support to beef this tranny-the sky is the limit. If you go to the FMS mass air setup, you will need a seperate control box as the tranny is computer controlled.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2009 | 01:51 PM
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Its a 96 5.0 with auto , it should have mass air from the factory ... Lew
 
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Originally Posted by lew52
....Hey Paul i was talking to my son the other day , & he was talking to the owner of a mustang race shop by his work . They also work on the gen 1 351 lightnings . They have be using alot of lunati cams but said they have been using the 5.0 HO cams out of the stangs & putting them in the lightnings . He said 40-50 hp gain. Says the lightnings like that cam... I guess because the SD ?? .
Yeah.. all of the factory 5.8 truck cams are restrictive.. not enough intake lift or duration for that motor with either the F4TE cam or the stock Lightning cam.. which for some reason only generates 0.416" lift. What were they thinking? The HO roller cam is slightly smaller than the Crane 444232 which was also a popular Lightning upgrade if you didn't want to spend the $$ on a roller conversion.
 
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Gr.. All this reading about building V8's is starting to make me want one.
 
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Old Sep 21, 2009 | 11:54 PM
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Thanks all for the info and suggestions.

Have the opportunity to get a hold of a cam and GT40p heads that have been ported and reworked. I'm not familiar with cams, but here are the stats from the cam that the guy who has the heads is running. I think these were from a fox body project so I'm not sure if the cam would be good for my truck .

Stats on the cam:
SpeedPro Hydraulic Roller cam CS195R with 212/222 duration and .493/.510 lift.

Anyone know what this would run like in a 302 1996 5.0?
TIA.
 
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