One last post and I'm outa here.
My solution for Roger's installation would have been to narrow the frame in front of the kick up (similar to tubbing done on drag racing frames) and mount the bags behind the axle outside the frame integral with the 4 link bracket and as far out on the axle as possible. The shocks could then be mounted in front of the axle. Yes, that would have required re engineering the fuel tank installation, but that would be a piece of cake since they are just a tin can that can be made practically any shape or size, IMHO a misplaced sense of priorities compared to riding around on a poorly engineered suspension.

Sundown, that's a pretty light trailer you are towing with a tongue weight of only 350# (towing guidelines say that the tongue weight of a trailer should be at least 10% of the gross weight of trailer and load). My trailer's loaded tongue weight is closer to 900#.

 

I dont even own a trailer. My 350# tongue comment was for the guy talking about keeping coil overs cause he has to tow a trailer with his truck and the trailer has a 350lb tongue weight.

Each one of my rear bags are rated at 2600 lbs. 900# on the tongue pshhhh, easy peasy! I would venture to say they are more robust than whats under most effies that aren't bagged, Tell me another F100 truck that has a suspension capable of 5200 lbs over the rear axle alone. That is why I was talking about failing the axle before failing the suspension. I dont see anything that Roger has done that would qualify as a poorly engineered suspension. You haven't seen any poorly engineered suspensions if you think what he is doing is a bad idea! Think reverse four link setups, two links of any kind, four valves for an entire truck, mono-bagging, four links made from angle iron, links made from grey iron pipe, it goes on and on and on!

To be extra clear here since I see that its difficult to follow along. I dont completely disagree with you in your above idea of narrowing the frame rails and blah blah blah. Where I disagree with your argument is that your idea is the only way to air bag a suspension. Far from it! Matter of fact, your way will limit the amount of lift the double convoluted air bag can experience. Not only that but when fully inflated and the axle in front of the bag, it can ride like a chuck wagon.

I challenge you to spend some time around a properly airbaged truck, if you dont change your mind at that point, you will never change your mind AND THEN we can call you a air suspension nay-sayer! Nay-sayer! LOL

 

Roger, keep on the good work and keep posting pictures!!

 

ya that was me talking about coil overs. thought about it last night a sway bar set up would be better. the tounge weight was a aprox amount. can just lift off stand. i couldn't get over to see ya sundown as car was cutting out. i have to fix all my transportation all went bad a once go figure.

 

I have an idea for the top mounts off the cnotch. Going to make them out of the 3/16 plate i have with angle sides. I might even put a bar across them? Dont really have dom tube or a bender! I do have square tube though! Have to run the boys want piggy back rides!

 

when you put the top bar on tack it then rase and lower bags. i found there is a slight angle change and you can move your point to cancel out the deflection of the bags. to a point. if my kids jumped on me id be flat. college kids lol there has to be someone thats done what were trying to do with same type of bags. neighbor is starting to bag a f1 he is wanting to use same type as us.

 

my boys are 6,3 still lots of piggy back years ahead!lol

I have only tacked everything till i know it will work the way i wish. I just hate when i do something than step back and look at it and say why didnt i do it the other way. The way i never thought of till after!! LOL still up in the air. I talked to Sundown the other day( big, big help!!) and kinda set me up with the answers i was looking for.

Do you guys run sway bars with airbags?

 

Ok I've been gone for a few...Had to catch up!! Well first off, Roger "lookn good!!" about time you pulled that trigger!..Sundown, good work on educating the naysayers!..Well guys, Looks like i'll be able to keep my project!"Game ON"..

 

ive seen a few different types that look like they would work fine.{sway bars} lever type with rubber bushings. frame travel on my setup is only about 5.6 inches. glad ya pulled through cory. stock springs probibly travel over half that . with out over loading figured better say that as seen axles laying on frame of dads truck. why haul two loads lol.

 

Well heres what ive done for the top bag brackets, still have more to do but you get the idea!<a href="http://s919.photobucket.com/albums/ad37/rtcalabrojr/?action=view&current=007-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad37/rtcalabrojr/007-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

 

sweet looks great is there angle bracing on it or just welded on outside. either way should be good.

 

i plan on running plate up the side from the side rail to the top and over to the 45* angle piece. I also will put one on the back side as well. I just wanted to tack it together to see how it would work works great. I even took a small video of the bags deflating! look in my photobucket link! Hope to work on it more today!

 

looks good so you have to get a different pan hard. the movie was a little dark but i could see the travel.

 

Nice job! looks good to me..

 

I bought a 30" panhard bar from summit. I figured out with the amount of travel from the airbag and the lenght of the bar it should only move about an 1/8 of an inch. I just got home from shopping for xmas with the wife and now have to rap all before the eyes are upon us!!!! Than off to the garage to work. I will take another better movie when im down.