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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 04:47 PM
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1963 F100 engine swap

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I'm new to FTE and I'm in need of help. I just bought a 1963 F100 with a inline 6 and I want to put a 460 in it, but I'm unsure of what I will need. I know I will need motor mounts and a different cross member, but what else will I need. Also are there any serious modifications I will have to do?
 
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 06:28 PM
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Aftermarket crossmembers are available from several distributors. You better think about upgrading the brakes if going with a 460.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 07:19 PM
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Yeah thats probably a good idea.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 07:39 PM
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Where will the engine bolt to, does it bolt to the cross member? This is my first engine swap so I really don't know much. I know the inline six bolts to the cross member.
 
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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The '64 and earlier trucks are completely different than '65 and later. They all look the same on the outside, but except for sheet metal and some trim, nothing in the front, cab and frame is the same.
The '64 engines were mounted in 3 places - the front on a crossmember, and two ears on the lower sides of the bell housing. This is the way engines and transmissions were mounted for decades.
'65 and later trucks use 2 mounts on the side of the engine to the frame, plus one at the tail of the transmission.
Mounting a 460 in this case will require welding (bolting??) an additional cross member to the frame to support the engine, and removing the old bell housing ears to allow the later transmission to fit.
Mounting a 460 and transmission is not impossible, but requires more than just an ability to buy parts and bolt them on. (If your ability extends to this level of a project, it will probably be a great one for you, but I do not have the place or the ability to cut weld and shape, so I have become knowledgeable in the bolt-up swaps for '65 and later - and therefore recommend against out-of-design changes.)
Your will find it necessary to change everything in the driveline from the radiator to the rear end - but as instig8r says, you had best look to the brakes first.
Your '63 is not designed for a 460's weight, nor are it's brakes appropriate to today's modern traffic (unless you intend it for a trailer queen.)
Installing a 460 will mean a lot of changes and specialty engineering on your part.
I would look at installing front disc brakes first. I put a 460 in my '65, and although the '65 brakes are beefier than your '63's, I drove my very carefully until I put in power disc brakes.
We'll be happy as a great group of guys to help you through your project whatever way you decide to go, but my advice is to go over this very carefully, plan your project thoroughly, and then work your plan.
Keep us posted!
 
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 08:15 PM
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The aftermarket crossmember bolts to the frame but comes in three pieces and needs to be welded together. It is in three pieces to be able to adjust for varying applications with varying frame widths. Normally listed with the aftermarket crossmember are the necessary engine insulators (mounts). Aftermarket trans crossmember/mount is also available.
 
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Old Sep 1, 2009 | 04:03 PM
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Ok, thanks that anwsers alot of my questions. This truck has been sitting for awhile so I have to put new brakes on so I will upgrade them to acommon date the 460. What is the website for the aftermarket cross member? And the 460 is from a 70s ford. Also are there any pictures of any one doing the same type of swap, so I can get an idea of what it will look like?
 
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Old Sep 1, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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Is there a brake converstion kit out there for my 63'. If there is, is it any good?
 
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Focus on getting your old Ford up and running safely with the reliable and economical 6. You will spend a lot of money and have a lot of fun just doing that. We can help! The biggest challenge you will face (other than youthful exuberance) will be the radical change Ford made on these trucks in the 1965 model year. Prior to 65 Ford used technology basically unchanged since the 1940's. In 65 they modernized and went with the twin I-Beam suspension system. Therein lies your dilemma. A 460 is a bolt in deal for 65 and later to 1979 trucks. 64 and prior a 460 swap will cost thousands of dollars and if not properly accomplished leave you with a truck that will not be safe. Reconsider! Enjoy what you have, save your money and later sell the 64 and buy a nice 65 or newer. I have put together several 66 F100's all with 460 and C6. This combination is a blast to drive and with all Ford parts will stop on a dime. Stopping being more important than going. IMHO!
 
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Old Sep 1, 2009 | 09:17 PM
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As an admitted traditionalist and a card carrying oldster who no longer cares how quickly one can get from one traffic light to the other, what's wrong with a nice modestly-built Y-block? It's a direct bolt in (although since your truck is a 6, you might have to have a bracket welded onto the front cross member to attach the motor mount). You can add all kinds of goodies, a variety of cams are available, 4 barrel, 2 4-barrels, 3 deuces, even a supercharger (if you have the bucks). You can easily bolt on either a T-6 or an AOD to give you an overdrive (you will have to buy an adapter). But that's after adding disc brakes and getting the front suspension up to specs. Just my 2 cents worth.
 
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 01:33 AM
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Will a Y-block bolt onto a T98 Trans?

Not sure if the OP plans to use his original trans or not, but being in the same boat I personaly would like to keep it-
 
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 07:26 AM
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The only reason I got this 63' was because I got it for $200 from my buddy it just needs new floor pans, a cab corner, and below the rear tail lights need to be fixed. My buddy also has a 460 sitting around, that I plan on buying. I was thinking if I don't buy his 460 I might look into buying a 390, would swaping in a 390 be easier?
 
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 74scout
would swaping in a 390 be easier?
Same install procedure/problems as the 460

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Will a Y-block bolt onto a T98 Trans?

Not sure if the OP plans to use his original trans or not, but being in the same boat I personaly would like to keep it-
Yes, that's one of the transmission that came in 61-64 trucks. I don't know how he plans to use the truck. Sounds sort of like he wants to hot rod it (with the 460). If that's the case, he wouldn't like the T98 and should probably stick with a 3 speed or upgrade to a 5 speed w/OD. There are 3 speed OD trannys but they are hard to find and expensive.
 
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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 04:06 PM
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I either want to run a c6 or a 5 speed. And yes I do plan on hot rodding it out, but I'm going to restore it in a way. So does any one know if theres a brake conversion kit, or what type of brake I should upgrade to. Also were can I get the aftermarket crossmember.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2009 | 12:39 AM
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i would go small block if i was you...the suspension would hold it better...the nostalgia would be there to a degree...you would have a lot better gas mileage as opposed to 9 with a 460 so you could actually afford to drive it...plus a built small block ford (say about a 302 stroked to 347) is about one of the best sounding motors out there and you would be in 450 to 500 are on hp and lb/ft.
 
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