I have a 1963 f100 4x4. the brake lights and the turn signals don't work.

First to fix the brake lights I'm going to replace the sensor switch on the master cylinder. however I'm not sure that this is the problem and if anyone else has any other suggestions I'm all ears.

However i have no idea how to go about fixing the turn signals. the turn signal switch/lever will just swing freely back and forth and doesn't seem to do anything or touch anything. how do i replace or repair this switch?

It appears that i have to remover the steering wheel to work on it, does that mean i need a special kit to remove it? i haven't tried to take it off, but all that is holding it on is a nut and bolt, at least thats what appears to be holding it on.

ps- I posted this in electrical, but it hasn't gotten any replies or views.

pps- if anyone remembers this truck had problems with the brakes not working. i rebuilt the wheel cylinders, master cylinder, and replaced all the steel and rubber lines. The brakes work now and i went from knowing nothing about how drum brakes work to knowing everything about how they work thanks to this forum.

thanks in advance.

 

If the turn signal lever flops around, the area the lever mounts to on the switch is broken.

C2TZ13341D .. Turn Signal Switch / Obsolete

Fits: 1961/65 F100/250 4WD / 1966 F250 4WD / 1961/66 F350/600.

WESLEY OBSOLETE PARTS in Liberty KY has SEVEN = 606-787-5293

CARPENTER OBSOLETE PARTS in Concord NC has SEVEN = 704-786-8139.

ANTIQUE AUTO SUPPLY in Arlington TX has FOUR = 817-275-2381.

MILLER OBSOLETE PARTS in Binghamton NY has THREE = 800-546-7278.

You will prolly need to rent a steering wheel puller to remove the wheel.

Sometimes the wheel can be wiggled off...sometimes.
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The brake light switch (COTZ13A024A-Motorcraft SW263) was used 1960/66 on cars/trucks.

It's a pressure switch, operated by the brake pedal which pushes fluid inside the switch to activate it.

This little darlin' is notorious for getting gummed up.

 

63' f100,
I went to my local Auto Zone and bought a universal steering wheel puller to get the steering wheel off. I think it was 12 dollars for the puller. Once you have that off I think you will find that taking the switch off is fairly strait forward. I cant remember if the wires have to be fished through the steering colum or not but I took mine completely apart to fix the turn signals and found out that someone along the way put a 7 1/2 amp fuse in the fuse box that called for a 14 amp fuse, second one down from the top and both the turn signals and the brake lites are supplied power through that fuse. I replaced the fuse and all my turn signal and brake lites started working. So I actually pulled the steering wheel for nothing except I got my horns working so I guess it was worth it. Anyway I hope my experience helps you with your Turn Signals and Brake Lites.
JRB65

 

The T/S switches individual wires have to be "fished" thru the column, an EZ task when removing the puppy, a b!tch when installing it.

T/S switch removal/installation: CUT the wires off just above the plug of the old switch, leaving an inch or so of the ends still plugged in.

Tape these wires together, then tie a long piece of heavy string to this menage.

Pull the old switch from the column, tape the new switch wires together, tie the string to them, then pull the string from the bottom of the column.

The wires will then easily feed down the column. Unplug the ends of the old wires...one at a time...so the correct colored wire will go in the right location.

Done!

 

I had a brake light issue with my truck, and traced it to the plug on the firewall near the master cylinder. Pull this apart and make sure the connections are clean.

 

And, if it's the same on a 4x4, the brake circuit goes through the turn signal switch before going to the brake lights.
Before replacing the brake switch, have a friend push on the brake pedal and check the switch for continuity.

 

The wires do not go thought the steering column. they go next to it.

I havent inspected it, but a rebuild kit is about $12, while the switch is about $50. how likely is a "rebuild" kit to have the parts necessary to fix it?

 

The 4WD's thru 1966 have a separate tube on the outside of the column for the wires to feed thru, but those wires are many and loose, so the same technique to replace the switch applies here, too.

What is the 12 buck rebuild kit for the switch, the canceling cam?

Go ahead...buy that puppy...then try to get it to fit properly.

It's not specific for this exact T/S switch, it's a "fitzall."

 

New question- will a "Universal" switch for 48-55 fit a 63? Obviously the years are off, but i can get it for $20.

If not will a switch for a 1963 Falcon fit the steering column?

I just need to mount a switch that lets other people know I'm turning, its doesn't necessarily have to look good. Every other switch i find is $15-40, while the one for my truck is $125... I'll buy it if i have to, but its a lot for an electrical switch.

 

You need a specific Turn Signal Switch that fits only certain vehicles.

You just cannot install any 'ol switch, it has to be the correct one.

See post #2 for the Ford part number and what exact vehicles the switch fits.

$125.00?? Who have you contacted to find out what this obsolete switch costs?

I found 23 of the correct C2TZ13341D switches at 4 obsolete parts vendors and posted their phone numbers.

Ford's last MSRP was $94.24. Dealer net cost was $56.57.

If one vendor wants a certain price, that does not mean all of them will, these are independent stores, not connected to one another.

Here's one more source that just appeared on the locator system: SOEBY MOTOR CO in Walhalla ND has TWO.

Sorry, their phone number isn't listed. Since the part is obsolete, it can no longer be returned to Ford, which means the dealer is STUCK with them.

Some dealers sell their obsolete parts at or below their original cost to get rid of them, so give 'em a call and ask.

You own a 47 year old truck, that many of the parts are obsolete from Ford, hard to find and usually expensive when you do find them.

Consider that there were 100,000's of 1000's of trucks sold that used this same switch. How many of these new switches are left? TWENTY FIVE!

 

Thanks alot, i called those places and found one for about half price. Thanks so much for you help, this forum really has helped me alot with this truck.

Just out of curiosity, how do you know that these places have the parts? that's really useful information.

 

I search for obsolete parts using the Ford Dealer Parts Locator System, and another site the obsolete parts vendor inventories are listed on.

I type each specific Ford part number into either system., whatever source has it...will be listed.

If the part is still available from Ford, I type the MSRP and FTE member discount price, as FTE has Ford Dealer parts department sponsors.

 

Hey Number Dummy,

Any chance you could give me an updated list of obsolete parts vendors that might have this turn signal switch? I don't see the numbers you referred to above...

Cheers,
Dion

 

See post #2 for the sources, but...

Your profile says you have a 1966 F100. If this is correct, C2TZ-13341-D is the wrong T/S switch for your application.

This is the correct '66 F100 (and etc) T/S switch: C9TZ-13341-C .. TSS / Available from Ford / MSRP: $61.98 / PARTSGUYED.COM (Horizon Ford in WA) price: $44.63.

Fits: 1965/66 F100/250 2WD / 1966 F100 4WD / 1967/68 F100/350 / 1969 F100/350 before serial number G30,001.

 

Thanks for the clarification Number Dummy... I was just going off of what I found on that other thread in respect to the proper part number.

I'll put a call into PARTSGUYED.COM this morning.

Cheers,
Dion