I am sure that this will upset many but I just have to sat it! If you want to make a neg post about me then have at it. Discussions here are not, they are fights and hurt feelings and people to young to know, spouting off about many things they know nothing about. Simply purchasing a F250SD does nothing more than require you to make payments, it dosen't come with a brain pill that makes you an expert on Fords. Most of the oil posts are looking for a bargain, a cheap way to extend the life of the PSD. Well my friends you get what you pay for. You buy cheap you get cheap there isn't a special way out of it. In the 65 posts on this oil thing and 85% of them are made by people that don't have a clue, they are just defending what oil dad told them to buy, get over it! If you don't like Amsoil simply don't by it!!! I have used synthetics for 500,000 on many PSDs and yes they work and usually if you buy you oil at Sam's Club you are a little short on knowledge about oils. Why anyone would spend 30-45 thousand dollars on a truck and then spend hours looking for the cheapest oil is beyond me. Buy the best, put a bypass filter system on it and then pass it on to your kids. If you can afford a PSD then you can afford a filter system if you can't then you are in over your head.

 

No I am not a dealer and could care less about a specific brand, it just seems many are very offended when the word AMSOIL is used! I wonder why that is.....???? It is what drives the converstions on the oil and lub group. Since 75% of the posts have something to do with liking or disliking Amsoil maybe there is something to it?

 

Howdy pardner, welcome to Oil and Lubrication.

So, why don't you tell us what's really on your mind...

Perhaps you will stick around and enlighten us?

*edit*
Okay, after your second post I'm starting to get the picture. You want to hear some positive affirmations about your oil of choice. Well permission to speak freely. Oil is like religion. Everybody has one and thinks it's better that the others. Nobody is going to slam you for your personal prefferences. I'll make sure of that.

No, we are not offended by Amsoil, only their salesmen. It gets tiresome when a one post wonder comes through here and promises to give us cleaner whites and brighter brights if we will email him.

Several contributors to the discussions here are using Amsoil products and are reporting encouraging results. The Oil forum is about sharing information, not building pyramids.

 

I've been making similar points about extended change intervals and trying to save a few bucks per oil change really not having that great of an effect on the pocketbook. I personally have been changing synthetic oil every 3000 miles but reading some of these posts I have been educated that it certainly is not necessary to change it that often and even that an oil filter's peak efficiency may not be reached until after a certain period of filtering oil so there could be some support for an argument that MODERATELY extended intervals may actually be beneficial in some respects.

I personally know an AMSOIL dealer very well. I trust it is a good product. I use Mobile 1 Super Syn. Just my preference.

We're glad you're here, most of us enjoy in depth discussions full of facts that we can sort through and form our own opinions on. I know I have certinly learned a lot and am changing some of my practices a little bit, not to save money, but to try and provide the best protection for my investment that I can. You have to remember that a lot of the guys on this site did not spend as much on their trucks as we have either. A number of them bought them with many miles on them and several years of use. While they hope that they were taken as well care of as the guys who use this forum take care of their trucks, there is no guarantee and they just want to do the best they can for their truck without dumping extra money that is not going to have a dramatic impact in their situation.

Feel free to contribute anything you can add to our forum, it'll be appreciated by more of us than you might think!

 

Your opinion is welcome and obviously deeply held. I would disagree with your generalization that 85% of the comments are made by people that don't have a clue. There are some (many) very bright people here who are happy to share their knowledge and experiences.
Also, I do not believe that you always get what you pay for and the generalization about "cheap" oil is somewhat in error. Those who know me here will understand why.
There is much to be learned. Stick around!

Brian A

 

Since Amsoil is a direct market product, there are many Dealers that love to use these forums as a way to market their products. The purpose of this forum is to exchanged ideas and information about lubrication and that includes Amsoil or any other oil (but not to sell products). Feel free to discuss it, but don't expect everyone to see things your way. I'm personally interested in your experience and knowledge, so feel free. For instance I think it is a legitimate debate as to whether or not Amsoil is better than other oils for a particular purpose based upon facts or experience.

If one type of oil worked for all, then there wouldn't be so many brands and grades of oil out there on the market. People are trying find solutions to their problems, or just have a general interest in the topic. I find it fascinating and am open minded about what to use. I currently use Amsoil in one of my vehicles transmissions. I'm an experimentor so I'm interested in trying different things backed up with analysis. Right now I use Mobil 1 oil in all vehicles, and will do analysis. And if the results are good enough, then why would I want to switch? Same with someone using Valvoline or Castrol or you name it. To me oil analysis peels away all of the marketing hype and tells the story as to whether or not it is working.

So feel welcome to discuss, all points of view can be useful.

 

i have a friend who had an 84 toyota pickup. he only used amsoil and changed it every 30,000 miles (that's not a typo!). he had no problems for years until the timing chain broke at 185,000 miles. how many other oils can perform like that at such ridiculous drain intervals. i see nothing wrong with amsoil products.

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Dec-02 AT 09:35 AM (EST)]Metalbender,
A few more thougths I had.....
You suggested "buy the best". I think that is at the heart of what sustains our interest and conversations. What IS "best" ???
It is my opinion that there is no single "best" oil. There are MANY combinations of oil / filter / drain intervals that will provide more than adequate protection and maximum service life of the engine. There are so many variables involved that to say "buy the best" is (in my opinion) opening the door for continued debate and discussion on what is the best (and this is not a bad thing).
As an example: Let's contrast you and me. I gather from your post you drive a F250 PSD. I drive a 4.2 V6.
You mentioned passing the truck on to your progeny. I plan to give my truck to my son when he turns 16 (5 1/2 yrs from now).
You didn't say, so I don't know what oil you use. But it appears you have added a bypass filter arrangement. I use "cheap" (comparatively speaking) Formula Shell 10W-30 and a Motorcraft filter. Several oil test have shown the Shell oil is still good-to-go at 5,000 mile drain intervals.
I am sure there are more similarities and differences between us. But, the point is I do what is best for ME. Less than $10 every 4-5,000 miles and tests have shown I am getting great protection / results.
My 2 cents on the Amsoil deal....Scott and rgiles, (and others) have already summed it up. It ain't so much the oil that's the issue. For me, it's the cult like mind set that seems to be so common in the Amsoil world. I am SURE it is a fine oil. But, I tend to be one of the "house cynics" when it comes to the blanket statement / assumption that synthetic oil(s) are just plain "better". Going back to my choice and application - what would "better" be for me? Everything is great at 81,000 miles! What could I / would I go looking for if I wanted to get better?? I could spend a lot more and get what for it?
I'm guessing you get the picture....
I look forward to seeing more of your posts . Maybe now that you got all that out of your system you can settle down and become part of the (constructive) fray. Stick around and you'll see the same core group of guys here. Lot's of differing opinions, and lot's of good debate / discussion.
See ya,
Brian A

 

Very well stated Brian....

 

Like I said somewhere else on here I use sythetic in all of my vehicles I'm happy, and I try to remember when to change it but I do not always remember, it gets up to 122 once in awhile and my oldest vehicle the courier is up to 500,000+ I even use it in the mowers that way I don't have to try to remember what oil goes where. The mowers don't leak or blow it either, I don't have to put more oil in between changes, on the other hand the valve guide seals are tired on the courier and it does lose some but it burns it well and doesn,t smoke, it must burn it as it doesn't leave puddles.

 

>Your opinion is welcome and obviously deeply held. I would
>disagree with your generalization that 85% of the comments
>are made by people that don't have a clue. There are some
>(many) very bright people here who are happy to share their
>knowledge and experiences.
>Also, I do not believe that you always get what you pay for
>and the generalization about "cheap" oil is somewhat in
>error. Those who know me here will understand why.
>There is much to be learned. Stick around!
>
>Brian A

There are some
>(many) very bright people here who are happy to share their
>knowledge and experiences.

Nicely stated Brian way to stick up for the folks on this board!

 

ALL RIGHT !!!! I see another GROUP HUG coming !!!


Brian A

 

Dino and syn both are excellent oils. Which one you use all depends on your religion and experience. As long as you follow the SAE API spec you won't go too far wrong if ever.

I know several people who have no clue what oil they use, and they just add oil when needed, they never change their oil and filter. A testimonial about oil, car brand, additives? Nah, blind luck and within the bell curve of statistics. Some guys will change oil every 3,000 with synthetic and have bypass filters etc and will still blow an engine, others, like my dad will drive the car without ever changing the oil and will sell the car at 100K with no one being the wiser.

Statistically an engine will live longer if we follow the recommended drain schedule. Will it run longer if we go with syn? Will it last longer if we change it every 1,000 miles? Will it have more power if we use brand X? All maybe. Straying from the recommendations just shifts where you sit on the bell curve. Maybe you will get lucky maybe you won't.

I prefer to stick with the schedule and I use synthetic for the extra magic it gives me.

Just my opnions,

Jim Henderson

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Dec-02 AT 03:16 PM (EST)]Personally I don't know anyone dumb enough to spend 30-45K on a truck.

<ducking>


Why anyone would
>spend 30-45 thousand dollars on a truck and then spend hours
>looking for the cheapest oil is beyond me. Buy the best,
>put a bypass filter system on it and then pass it on to your
>kids. If you can afford a PSD then you can afford a filter
>system if you can't then you are in over your head.

I'M JUST KIDDING!!!!

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 20-Dec-02 AT 11:33&nbsp;PM (EST)]
"how many other oils can perform like that at such ridiculous drain intervals."

Is there an implication there that this is only possible with amsoil?

Not likely.

However, if that is not a rhetorical question but is a literal one, then that's the holy grail, isn't it? This forum is about just that--what's the best oil.

To save you some time, here's the answer: there are many good oils, of all stripes. The best one is the one that you use.