I just bought a 1964 Grumman step van ford engine 4 speed dual rear end. where on engine, trans and rear end where do I look for numbers to figure what I have. Engine runs great 50 psi oil pressure and doesn't use any antifreeze Right now no brakes and a tune up are first on my list

 

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Do the front doors slide back and forth?

If so, you have a P Series Parcel Delivery.

These were used by UPS from 1951 thru 1974, by Frito-Lay, Wonder Bread, and etc. Most peeps refer to them as "bread trucks."

The engine could be a 223 I-6. The other I-6, the 262 was an option.

These two engines were also used in 1961/64 F100/600's. The 223 was also used in 1954/64 passenger cars.

It could also have a V8.

EDIT: Are you sure it's a 1964? The 1953/74's look identical.

If a 6 cylinder, what side is the intake & exhaust manifold on? Right (Passenger) Side or Left (Drivers) Side?

If a V8, is the distributor behind the carb or in front of it?

The 6 and V8 engines are different: 1965/74.

How many lugs do the wheels have, and what size are they? There were three different P Series: P350, P400, P500.

Since the body wasn't made by Ford, the usual Warranty Plate with all the codes for engine, trans, axle, etc, isn't used. Is there anything on the dash with codes on it?

These same three chassis was also used by some Motor Home manufacturers thru 1974.

 

doors slide Its a 6 cyl, 6 5/8 lugs, exhaust manifold on drivers side Ford id plate on engine cover
warrenty number P40BL525480
WHEEL BASE 137
? P
? P400
MAX GVW 10000
? 132
? D.S.O. 3600740379
? marks are words I can't read
SECOND ID PLATE
Grumman Allied Industries for JBE Olson 05040kSC6413T
Does Warrenty No / Vin Number tell me which six I have 223 or 262 do they use same points plugs cap?
carb has tag would that help
MOTORCRAFT
DOPF Y
D 3H24

 

OK, looking at other posts, because I have a B in the warrenty no and a 132 3600 on the plate I should have a 262 engine and a p400 running gear I see gasket sets are the same for 232 and 262 how about plugs and points what do you gap the plugs and set the points at. I'm I catching on?

 

P40 = P400

B = 262 1V Light Duty I-6

L = Michigan Truck Assembly Plant

525480 = 1964, assembled April 1964.

262 I-6 = 132 net HP @ 3600 RPM

The actual DSO code is: 740379 = .

74 = Seattle WA Ford District Sales Zone Office, where the original selling dealer order the vehicle from.

0379 = Domestic Special Order number, relates to the body. The chassis was sent to Grumman by Ford to have the body installed.

If the chassis was not sent out by Ford to have the body installed, the DSO code would only be 74.

The 262 engine in your P400 uses all the same parts as 1961/64 F100/600's except the carb kit. This is the light duty 262. There were also medium duty and heavy duty 262 engines.
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The Motorcraft carb is a replacement, installed sometime after July 1973 because 3H24 = decodes to the carbs assembly date of: July (H) 24, 1973 (3).

DOPF-Y = DOPZ9510Y .. 1V Carburetor (Motorcraft CA609A)

DOPZ9A586A .. Carburetor Tune Up Kit (Motorcraft CT223) / Obsolete

You can take the Motorcraft carb kit part number (CT223) to an autoparts store (NAPA for example), as they may be able to cross it over to the brands they sell. Or...

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has one of these kits = 800-543-4959.
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While the 262 is related to the 223 and uses some of the same parts, the 262 does NOT use the same engine gaskets as a 223. The 262's block and head are 262 only.

The complete engine gasket set or the valve grind gasket set are 262 Light/Medium/Heavy Duty only. Not the same as any 223!

The only gasket that I see in the 1964/72 FORD TRUCK PARTS CATALOG ** that is the same 223/262 is the oil pan gasket.

The valve seals are the same 223/262 LIGHT DUTY. The Medium and Heavy Duty valve seals are different.
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The P400's rear axle is a Spicer-Dana 70. It's the same from 1961 thru 1966. 1967 and later is different.

This same rear end was used in 1961/66 F350's = 6 lugs on a 7.25" bolt circle.

1967 and later = 8 lugs on a 6.50" bolt circle.

** This parts catalog is available on a CD from hipoparts.com for around 22 bucks.

btw: There a Los Angeles truck junkyard that has a 1960's Chevy Step Van with a Grumman Body...in case you need any body parts.

 

Grumman is completely useless when it comes to trying to get parts. I'll save you the trouble unless you're completely desperate. They have terrible customer service.

For historical information, there is a regular column on parcel delivery trucks in Vintage Truck magazine. The author can be contacted through the mag and may be able to tell you more specifics about your Grumman body.

 

Many of those "bread trucks" were built for 30 year use life and regularly went back to rebuild shops because it was cheaper to rebuild, or replace on a schedule than to pull one off the side of the road.

A local Frito Lay contract shop would place a dead engine in the back that was headed back to rebuild if it had one in the front that was fresh and he wanted to keep it. When one hit the magic number it went back regardless.



John

 

Dwight, I suspect it is because those trucks were built contract specific, and were not designed for the consumer. A chassis came in and they placed a body on it and it out to the "bread company" IMHO



John

 

John, I've dealt with them for my job in insurance repair work. Grumman doesn't care. Unless you're a fleet with 200 of the things then they might actually return your calls. If you've bought one as a fleet of 1 to a dozen, you wait days to get parts prices or availability. They treat the dealers that sell them the same way.

 

I don't need any parts other than brakes and some minor wireing issues ( no fuse panel only in line fuses) body is in excelent condition other than paint. You woulden beleve how thick the aluminum is on body 1/8 - 3/16 thick I only paid $1000 for it with NOS tires could get my money back just in the aluminum

 

What fluid does the master cylinder for the clutch take it doesn't look like brake fluid ,but maybe it is??

 

Every hydraulic clutch system I've seen has used brake fluid.

 

thanks just making sure

 

OK cleaning out the clutch master cylinder wasn't a good idea. So NumberDummy . . . help, or any one else who knows what year/chassis would the clutch master cylinder be. The only reason the old one was working was the thick sludge in the bottom. need a rebuilt/ NOS or last resort a rebuild kit. Thanks

 

Does the 1964 P350 223ci use the same clutch master cylinder as the p400 262ci, I found some at NAPA