problem for drug interdiction
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This is what it really looks like straight off of a mother boat.
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At least eight crews have been returned to Colombia after rescue, without being charged.
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Maybe if he hits that bong again, he won't know the difference and do her...
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More proof (IMHO) that they should either go after the drug USERS or just legalize a wide enough variety of drugs to kill the profit.
The $$$ are so high that stopping the dealers just seems impossible. Didn't work for prohibition, not working for drugs.
The $$$ are so high that stopping the dealers just seems impossible. Didn't work for prohibition, not working for drugs.
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I don't know who is using all these drugs, but it is a very major industry.
I am totally on board with the idea of legalizing the drugs and putting a major emphasis on public education about drugs. What the effects are and how they interact with other drugs so that people are at least making a more informed decision about what they are taking in. But you are right. With the amount of profit to be made they will go to any lengths to maintain the trade. All the thousands of lives being lost in the Mexican drug wars, and the number of law enforcement officers being corrupted would stop if the drugs were suddenly legal. And as you say, if it were legal, there goes the obscene profits.
I am totally on board with the idea of legalizing the drugs and putting a major emphasis on public education about drugs. What the effects are and how they interact with other drugs so that people are at least making a more informed decision about what they are taking in. But you are right. With the amount of profit to be made they will go to any lengths to maintain the trade. All the thousands of lives being lost in the Mexican drug wars, and the number of law enforcement officers being corrupted would stop if the drugs were suddenly legal. And as you say, if it were legal, there goes the obscene profits.
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I don't know who is using all these drugs, but it is a very major industry.
I am totally on board with the idea of legalizing the drugs and putting a major emphasis on public education about drugs. What the effects are and how they interact with other drugs so that people are at least making a more informed decision about what they are taking in. But you are right. With the amount of profit to be made they will go to any lengths to maintain the trade. All the thousands of lives being lost in the Mexican drug wars, and the number of law enforcement officers being corrupted would stop if the drugs were suddenly legal. And as you say, if it were legal, there goes the obscene profits.
I am totally on board with the idea of legalizing the drugs and putting a major emphasis on public education about drugs. What the effects are and how they interact with other drugs so that people are at least making a more informed decision about what they are taking in. But you are right. With the amount of profit to be made they will go to any lengths to maintain the trade. All the thousands of lives being lost in the Mexican drug wars, and the number of law enforcement officers being corrupted would stop if the drugs were suddenly legal. And as you say, if it were legal, there goes the obscene profits.
The question is where do you stop? I might be for marijuana as I don't think it's terrible but what about heroine, coke, crack, LSD, meth, etc? Where do you draw the line? Already alcohol and tobacco are abused to the point that it's a major liability on public health programs like Medicare and Medicaid as well as for providers that treat the same people for the same things day in and day out.
And then there's my first point again. The public is stupid. We'll pick up folks who can't breath because they've smoked their lungs way and now have heart failure from the pulmonary hypertension. So the smoking is killing their lungs and heart. We start IVs, give nitro, put them on CPAP and generally fix them up. What's the first thing they want? A cigarette. Then we do this all over again in a couple of weeks.
At least when a bust is made, the heroine ODs decline for a couple of weeks. If it was legal I don't even want to think about how much more Narcan we would need to stock.
As for these subs, it looks like a great use for all the Los Angeles and the couple of Seawolf subs we have that have no real enemy.
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The OP mentioned that these subs are made form fiberglas and don't fully submerge, they sit at the ocean's surface and cruise. That tells me that hey aren't sophisticated enough to employ a good snorkel system, sonar systems or anything else that would qualify them as a true submersible.
Being that they cruise at the surface, radar is basically useless. They are painted a blueish / gteyish color so a lookout can't see them and fiberglass is hard as hell for sonar to pick up.
But, they run on diesels and diesels are big time noise makers. Any US warship equipped with sonar should be able to pick up thier sound.
The war on drugs is worth fighting if we value America's youth. If drugs of any kind were to be legalized, then they should be manufactured / produced in the same manner as alcohol and sold / taxed in the same fashion.
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Being that they cruise at the surface, radar is basically useless. They are painted a blueish / gteyish color so a lookout can't see them and fiberglass is hard as hell for sonar to pick up.
But, they run on diesels and diesels are big time noise makers. Any US warship equipped with sonar should be able to pick up thier sound.
The war on drugs is worth fighting if we value America's youth. If drugs of any kind were to be legalized, then they should be manufactured / produced in the same manner as alcohol and sold / taxed in the same fashion.
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That's all true Tim, but they are only under power at night and lay just below the surface during the day. I'll bet they are hard to pinpoint, and most likely would be checked out by air and the radar would not see them. As far as the sonar is concerned, wouldn't they have a signature just like a very small fishing vessel? Any boat or submarine would have to be right on top of it before they could see it.
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That's all true Tim, but they are only under power at night and lay just below the surface during the day. I'll bet they are hard to pinpoint, and most likely would be checked out by air and the radar would not see them. As far as the sonar is concerned, wouldn't they have a signature just like a very small fishing vessel? Any boat or submarine would have to be right on top of it before they could see it.
The biggest problem at hand is gathering enough correct intel to interdict an operation and actually make an arrest. The Coast Guard is not that well eqiopped or funded, so they rely heavily on other agencies.
If you ever happen to notice a US warship flying the Coast Guard Ensign, it shows that there is a Coast Guard Law Enforecment Detachment (LEDET) embarked. This authorizes the US warship to perform the same duties as a Coast Guard vessel.
Semper Paratus! (always ready)
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