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From: emmett id
edge question
I have a 2003 f 250 4x4 with 140000 miles my head gaskets just went along with my water pump pulley, idler and timing case witch future ford of concord ca happily bent me over for $5300 to fix now of course they blamed the edge programmer witch Ive pretty much left on the towing setting and have been pleased with it. now a week later I joined this site and read nothing but bad stuff about the edge such as trans problems.now It seems fairly adjustable so what is the problem with it. I dont want to rebuild my tranny but I really dont have the money to buy a programmer either. so any advice you have would be great.
thanks Trash
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edge is not good for the tranny because it dose not get into the tcm (trans control moddule). So it dosent do any adjusting for the added power. The line pressures in the trans dont get high enough eventually causing the trans to start slipping. You should look into getting a SCT, with some custom tunes, they can tune the TCM and many other asspects of the truck that edge, or bullydog, or banks can touch. Welcome to FTE this is the best site to find good info on your truck. look around, check out the tech folder at the top of the 6.0 forum lots of good info in there.
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I had the edge and bought the SCT because of what I was reading here. I now use the edge as a set of gauges only.
The edge did make more power but the SCT makes smoother, more natural feeling power. I do like it better.
I do miss the "looking up, push a button, and now it is changed" of the edge!
I am not sorry I went with the SCT though.
I doubt that the edge in tow did your heads in.
The edge did make more power but the SCT makes smoother, more natural feeling power. I do like it better.
I do miss the "looking up, push a button, and now it is changed" of the edge!
I am not sorry I went with the SCT though.
I doubt that the edge in tow did your heads in.
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Am I missing something?
How would the edge trouble your water pump, and timing case. Maybe there was an issue of overheating? That would also get your head gaskets.
I also have blocked off my EGR valve with a dummy and put in a sneaky pipe. The EGR cooler might be something to look at.
Just a thought.
In my last post I said that the Edge did make more power, I mean more power than stock. Not more power than the SCT.
How would the edge trouble your water pump, and timing case. Maybe there was an issue of overheating? That would also get your head gaskets.
I also have blocked off my EGR valve with a dummy and put in a sneaky pipe. The EGR cooler might be something to look at.
Just a thought.
In my last post I said that the Edge did make more power, I mean more power than stock. Not more power than the SCT.
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There is some confusion because we don't know if they are talking about the Evolution, which is a programmer just like the SCT, except you can't do custom tunes with it; or the Juice with Attitude, which is an inline tuner.
I have heard bad things about both. I have yet to find anyone who actually said "Yes, I had an Edge (Evolution or Juice) and my transmission went out.
The Evolution does program the ECM and TCM, just like the SCT. You can't do custom tunes with it, unless you send it to someone like Power Hungry Performance and they make it into a Gryphon, which is basically an Evolution with custom tunes, as I understand it.
I have heard bad things about both. I have yet to find anyone who actually said "Yes, I had an Edge (Evolution or Juice) and my transmission went out.
The Evolution does program the ECM and TCM, just like the SCT. You can't do custom tunes with it, unless you send it to someone like Power Hungry Performance and they make it into a Gryphon, which is basically an Evolution with custom tunes, as I understand it.
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I have yet to find an edge product that isn't hard on the the 6.0 engine, now more often then not people go with the in-line modules moreso then the evolution. Evolution has a much more following in the half ton market then what I've seen in the diesel market. Typically people get the juice module or the juice w/attitude module, platinum juice w/attitude etc, all those are in-line modules and a very bad no-no for the 6.0.
The TCM programming that comes with any Edge product I've seen is really just line pressure changing and maybe here and there shift points, still not as a good as a well written custom tune.
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Like so many things its quite hard to pinpoint unless someone really did some testing and tried to eliminate all the variables so any one individual incident it's hard to determine, however, considering the sheer amount of people that have made that complaint that I have heard, both on the boards and with people I have known, I'm willing to stretch and make a connection, particularly knowing what I do know about tuning.
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From: emmett id
Am I missing something?
How would the edge trouble your water pump, and timing case. Maybe there was an issue of overheating? That would also get your head gaskets.
I also have blocked off my EGR valve with a dummy and put in a sneaky pipe. The EGR cooler might be something to look at.
Just a thought.
In my last post I said that the Edge did make more power, I mean more power than stock. Not more power than the SCT.
How would the edge trouble your water pump, and timing case. Maybe there was an issue of overheating? That would also get your head gaskets.
I also have blocked off my EGR valve with a dummy and put in a sneaky pipe. The EGR cooler might be something to look at.
Just a thought.
In my last post I said that the Edge did make more power, I mean more power than stock. Not more power than the SCT.
what happened was i was driving when the idler went out which I guess took out the water pump pulley and belt. I might have driven the truck 15 feet after to pull over, had it towed to ford and they decided to change the water pump as well. It cost $1300 that round but I didnt care to much after 140000 miles not bad for my first repair bill. I got the truck back for a hundred miles and the head gaskets go and to say the least I wasnt very happy thats when they blamed my edge and maybe they were right but Im still not convinced they didnt overheat it or maybe put it together wrong the first time but I know about coincidences so after I calmed down they knocked off the labor from the first round so it only cost $4000 more ouch. of course when I got it home the exaust was broke around the cad which they said was " already broke" so I welded It myself and now it seems to work fine.
I dont remember what model my edge is but it is the unit on the dash with the pyrometer
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That could still be any of them. Did the actual power unit have to be hooked up underneath the hood or elsewhere?
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The evolution plugs into the ODB-II port, with a plug there for the pyrometer probe. The Juice is a module that mounts next to the PCM behind the drivers side battery. The plug from the PCM is removed and plugged into the juice and the juice plugs into the PCM.