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Old May 12, 2009 | 07:19 PM
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Brake problems..........

I just completely redid the rear brakes on my truck after it had been driven on the front brakes for years. It stops alot better now, but when the truck is running the pedal goes all the way down after you have stopped and are sitting there with your foot on the pedal. Im thinking something is up with the master cylinder. What do you fine folks think?
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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Typical symptom of internally-bypassing master cylinder, what happens is some of the fluid from the high-pressure side leaks past the piston seals and thus you slowly lose fluid and pressure, hence the sinking pedal. A new master cylinder should cure that, however when you remove the one you got now take a look at the brake booster and see if its paint under the master cylinder is all bubbled out or peeling - it's not uncommon for master cylinders to also leak fluid past their rear seals and that fluid to end up in the brake booster, once it's inside the booster it will eventually damage the diaphragms - that's actually why if you're buying a new boosters some manufacturers have the requirement that a new master cylinder be installed at the same time, or they will not honor warranty should something happen to the new booster.
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 08:53 PM
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Does the pedal drop when resting your foot on the pedal when stopped or only when deliberately pushing harder on the pedal..........
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 09:09 PM
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PLC7.3 are you thinking RABS HCU? I completely forgot about that as a possible problem spot...
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 10:01 PM
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I'd guess it is the master cylinder (internal piston) as well, but to be sure it isn't an outside leak, keep an eye on the fluid level in the master cylinder. Maybe when the brake job was done, a leak developed.
 
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Old May 13, 2009 | 04:39 AM
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RABS would get my vote.
 
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Old May 13, 2009 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by M.L.S.C.
PLC7.3 are you thinking RABS HCU? I completely forgot about that as a possible problem spot...

Whats all them letters stand for? Im thinking RABS is rear antilock brake system, but no idea on the HCU???
 
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Old May 13, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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how well did you adjust your rear brakes. push the emergency brake petal down and see how far it goes down
 
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Old May 14, 2009 | 06:15 AM
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Sounds like the master cylinder to me... I think mine only cost me $18. Could not believe how cheap it was...
 
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Old May 14, 2009 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by johnboggs21
Whats all them letters stand for? Im thinking RABS is rear antilock brake system, but no idea on the HCU???
You are right on RABS. I assume HCU is hydraulic control unit. This would be the solenoid valve module on the inside of the left frame rail.
There are two solenoid valves in it, one can open and allow brake fluid to flow into a chamber against a spring loaded piston. This should only happen under heavy braking and when both rear wheels are locked up.
However if the valve is faulty it can allow fluid into the chamber under normal braking and so the pedal slowly sinks. When the pedal is released the piston pushes fluid back to the resevoir so it all happens again the next time you press the pedal.
It is easy to find out if that is the problem. If you look at the valve module you will see a large hex bung. Unscrew this bung (against spring pressure all the way) and remove the spring. No fluid will come out. Replace the bung, pump the pedal a few times to fill the chamber and then see if that has made any difference. If no difference then replace the spring and look elsewhere.
 
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Old May 14, 2009 | 08:28 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys. I really think its the master cylinder. It makes a noise when the pedal comes back up that sounds like its sucking air...........
 
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Old May 14, 2009 | 06:44 PM
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That'd be your booster, they all do it, as tis part of their operation cycle - upon pedal release the vacuum that just got used to pull on the diaphragms gets released, the air flowing in makes that sound you hear.
 
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Old May 14, 2009 | 07:34 PM
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OK thanks for the heads up.
 
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Old May 15, 2009 | 08:36 PM
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So im thinking Ill try bleeding any air out of the system and see if that helps. If not i guess ill put in a new master cylinder and booster.
 
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Old May 15, 2009 | 10:17 PM
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You can buy the entire assembly (master cylinder booster combo) from O'reilly's for 80 bucks. You HAVE to bench bleed the master cylinder tho, and be sure to bleed it fully or else you will be fighting air for weeks. It comes with instructions on how to do it and its not hard at all it just takes 15 minutes of time.
 
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