Sputtering when excelerating heavy
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Sputtering when excelerating heavy
Hi everyone, I purchased a 2006 Ford F-150 XLT, 5.4 3V Triton.
Last Thursday my check engine light came on, so I came to this forum and found out how to retrieve the code with out a OBD. It came up as a 0301 Misfire cylinder 1-10?
I went to the dealer and they said it was cylinder one, sold me a new plug and coil pack and they installed it for a nice $$$. On my way home it started tp sputter again when you give it heavy throttle, I called they told me that I should change all the plugs and Coil packs, kinda makes sense but to have all 8 plugs and coils go at once it only has 83km on it. Has this happened to any one else they want just over a $684.00 to do the job.
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I was talking to Ford and they say it is very rare that the fuel injectors go, they are saying it is a plug, and will do a tune up and give me some credit for the plug I already replaced. I do not want to put it in for a tune up and then they come back and say it is something else. But they assured me that it was the plugs saying they are almost due to be changed. make any sense??
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That dealer just ripped you off BIG TIME! It's almost a guarantee that you just have moisture down under the coil packs in the hole where the plugs go. It's arcing and causing a missfire.
Did it recently rain and were you out driving in it before this all started?
I've worked at Ford and several other dealers and the only time I ever replaced a coil pack because it was actually bad was one that caught fire. He had a fuel leak that caused that.
Just pull all the coils and plug boots, replace the plugs if the mileage indicates it and blow out all the holes good with compressed air.
As you put the coils and boots back in coat the inside and outside of the boots with dielectric grease and it will probably not happen again. Also examine the boots for white lines, pinholes and cracks. If you notice any of this then replace those boots. They are cheap compared to a coil! Stay away from that Ford dealer too. They are just after your money if they told you that.
Did it recently rain and were you out driving in it before this all started?
I've worked at Ford and several other dealers and the only time I ever replaced a coil pack because it was actually bad was one that caught fire. He had a fuel leak that caused that.
Just pull all the coils and plug boots, replace the plugs if the mileage indicates it and blow out all the holes good with compressed air.
As you put the coils and boots back in coat the inside and outside of the boots with dielectric grease and it will probably not happen again. Also examine the boots for white lines, pinholes and cracks. If you notice any of this then replace those boots. They are cheap compared to a coil! Stay away from that Ford dealer too. They are just after your money if they told you that.
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The dealer is saying it is almost time to change the plugs, they are not going to change the coil packs. I was also told it could be some water in the fuel? So my first post where I said just over $685, is now down to just under $200 plugs included in that price. Anymore input would be greatly appreciated, I have read a couple post about the plugs breaking off so better them do then me, save on the aggravation.
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It is almost due for plugs and a fuel filter. It is a good idea to have the dealer do those but it doesn't really reduce your chances of a plug breaking off and having to pay for it. I hate when that happens.
Just make sure to insist they put dielectric grease on the plugs and boots. Buy a tube of it for them if you have to and make sure they use it.
Just make sure to insist they put dielectric grease on the plugs and boots. Buy a tube of it for them if you have to and make sure they use it.
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Thanks, for all the info, I called the dealer and asked about the fuel filter.
He is doing a Tune up, which includes plugs, air filter, fuel filter, PCV filter I think he said for $227.00 tax. Very up front about all my questions and concerns, explained what was going to be done which addressed all the suggestion I received, Thank you.
He is doing a Tune up, which includes plugs, air filter, fuel filter, PCV filter I think he said for $227.00 tax. Very up front about all my questions and concerns, explained what was going to be done which addressed all the suggestion I received, Thank you.
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Update: They did not do a tune up they came up with as new error code P0345 Camshft position sensor, ended up being a loose wire but still have the sputtering problem. They are going to replace my Cat Converter on Friday under warranty, hopefully that fixes the problem. So far no charge for the work, because they have to diagnose the Cat converter in the main shop so they did not charge me twice for the diagnostic.
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This is a follow up to my original post, engine sputtering!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
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></o>I brought it in for a Diagnostic check and they found a code "P0301" misfire coil one, now this was only 1 1/2 weeks ago, so I changed the coil and plug they test drove my truck again did not fix the problem?<o
></o>But they found a new code "P0345" I think cam shaft position sensor?<o
></o>Anyway they found a loose wire reconnected it properly and test drove my truck again, that error code went away. But one bank was not firing right the whole side, so they said it was my Catalytic converter. Now they said it was under warranty Ford's 8 year 130km emissions. Like I said in my previous post this guy did not charge me for the test because it was going in for warranty work. I thought great I do not have to pay an arm and a leg, because the Catalytic Converter was under warranty since the truck is only a 2006 with 83km on it. So it goes into the main shop and of course another tech takes the truck out for a warranty diagnostic test.<o
></o>Well when he came back with the truck and wrote out the paper for the service person to present me the first thing she said was the Catalytic Converter is defiantly gone and needs replacing, great I thought "warranty" BUT no they say I have to buy the Catalytic converter and pay for all labour and diagnostic test first, and if the Catalytic converter is the problem for the error codes then they will reimburse me.<o
></o>The tech is telling me that in that 1 1/2 weeks that I have been dealing with this problem and trying to get it resolved that the misfire caused the Catalytic Converter to melt in which case it would not be covered and I would be responsible for the entire bill of $1200.00.<o
></o>I was shocked, frustrated and Pissed off, I had a hard time even talking to the guy. Can this really happen? I always brought the truck to the same dealership for maintenance, now there is 2 parts to the shop the fast oil changes tires and minor fixes and of course the other side where they deal with warranty issues and major repairs. They wanted me to committee and order the part. <o
></o>Am I getting F###ed without being kissed.<o
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></o>Frustrated<o
></o>PS Don't get me wrong I love my truck and would not have any other.<o
></o>Kevin <o
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Really, ticked off.
My problem according to Ford is that I had a misfire in coil number 1, and the unburnt fuel melted my catalytic converter in 14 days. Truck only has 83km 2006 f-150.
My problem according to Ford is that I had a misfire in coil number 1, and the unburnt fuel melted my catalytic converter in 14 days. Truck only has 83km 2006 f-150.
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That really sucks about the warrenty issue, there always seems to be a gotcha. Anyways I'm not sure if the catalytic converter would be a cause here. Back in my younger days I had removed my cat for some extra HP, gas, blah blah. Why would a melted cat cause this issue? Sure it might have melted and caused a new error but I bet its not causing your lack of power issue, but you would probably fail an emissions test.
I dont suppose they would remove or bore your cat just to rule that out, and continue on the plug/coil checkup??
I dont suppose they would remove or bore your cat just to rule that out, and continue on the plug/coil checkup??
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I had the same problem after buying my truck in 2007. It was in the shop 3 times in the first 2 months for a bad miss before they decided it was the cats. All of the other times, they replaced plugs, coil packs, and fuel filter. The final time they had my truck for over a month waiting on Ford to approve warranty work on the cats. Once it was approved, they replaced both and all plugs and coils. The truck has never ran better. The thing is, when I asked what would have caused this no one could tell me. They were clueless. I can't tell you why, but I know it solved my problems.
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Thank you for that bit of information. I ruled out everything else, although the Ford Dealer here in Dartmouth Nova Scotia, replaced the plugs, coil, and it came down to the catalytic converter... but they will not cover it because they are saying it is a misfire that caused the catalytic to go bad - go figure.
