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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 03:00 PM
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DO ALL OUR X's DO THIS????

i have a question, when i am in my x, (motor running ofcourse) and i have my foot firmly on the brake pedel, when i turn the front wheels they dont want to turn but if i let off the brake a little and just lightly press the brake they turn with no resistance??? is this a normail characteristic of the X due to the heavy front end, or is this a problem with mine?? i do have bigger tires than OEM, but i dont think thats it...
 
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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 04:26 PM
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Sounds like a problem with yours
 
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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 05:45 PM
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you have a hydraulic pump that runs the power brake booster and the power steering if it's a diesel. Unlike gas engines or OBS F series you do not use engine vaccum or a vacuum pump to run the power brake booster. at low RPM you are not producing a lot of Hydraulic pressure or flow so with the bigger tires it will drag like a gasser with power steering at full at idle. My Excursion does the exact same thing. just tested it... for diesel its totally normal... as for your gasser, not sure if the setup is the same or if you have a vacuum powered brake booster
 
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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 05:51 PM
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you have a hydraulic pump that runs the power brake booster and the power steering if it's a diesel. Unlike gas engines or OBS F series you do not use engine vaccum or a vacuum pump to run the power brake booster. at low RPM you are not producing a lot of Hydraulic pressure or flow so with the bigger tires it will drag like a gasser with power steering at full at idle. My Excursion does the exact same thing. just tested it... for diesel its totally normal... as for your gasser, not sure if the setup is the same or if you have a vacuum powered brake booster
He has a V10 not diesel, look at sig
 
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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 07:40 PM
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He has a V10 not diesel, look at sig
Pot calling the Kettle black arn't you? if you see I said at the bottom that I didnt know if his gasser used a standard Vacuum setup or also had the Hydraulic system

I checked my Alldata files and it shows both options under the 2000 V10 so not sure if that is a mistake or not in the data... I would say try running the rpms up a bit and see if it still does it
 
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Old Apr 17, 2009 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Daviddc114
i have a question, when i am in my x, (motor running ofcourse) and i have my foot firmly on the brake pedel, when i turn the front wheels they dont want to turn but if i let off the brake a little and just lightly press the brake they turn with no resistance??? is this a normail characteristic of the X due to the heavy front end, or is this a problem with mine?? i do have bigger tires than OEM, but i dont think thats it...
Mine does the same thing. Stock tires and fluid level is fine.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2009 | 12:46 AM
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i have a question, when i am in my x, (motor running ofcourse) and i have my foot firmly on the brake pedel, when i turn the front wheels they dont want to turn but if i let off the brake a little and just lightly press the brake they turn with no resistance??? is this a normail characteristic of the X due to the heavy front end, or is this a problem with mine?? i do have bigger tires than OEM, but i dont think thats it...
That's normal. The engine does not have nothing to do with it. Let me try to explain myself a little. Do this. Have someone sit in the driver's seat while you are outside staring at the driver side front wheel. Have him/her turn the steering to the all the way to the left(engine idling, trans in park, no brakes applied). Now you will see the tire slightly roll back. Turn to the steering wheel all the way right and you'll see the tire forward. Now if you apply the brakes(hard), you're keeping the tire to roll, making it hard to turn......go check it out.

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Old Apr 18, 2009 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bennie C.
That's normal. The engine does not have nothing to do with it. Let me try to explain myself a little. Do this. Have someone sit in the driver's seat while you are outside staring at the driver side front wheel. Have him/her turn the steering to the all the way to the left(engine idling, trans in park, no brakes applied). Now you will see the tire slightly roll back. Turn to the steering wheel all the way right and you'll see the tire forward. Now if you apply the brakes(hard), you're keeping the tire to roll, making it hard to turn......go check it out.

Bennie C.
i figured this exaclty, but i was thinking when you unlock the front hubs it disengages the front wheels from each other, so i was thinking the front hubs werent unlocking the front end, but mayb im thinking too much into it and that has nothing to do with it. that is funny though, not all vehicles do this, does this have something to do with the heavy duty front end?
 
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Old Apr 18, 2009 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bennie C.
That's normal. The engine does not have nothing to do with it. Let me try to explain myself a little. Do this. Have someone sit in the driver's seat while you are outside staring at the driver side front wheel. Have him/her turn the steering to the all the way to the left(engine idling, trans in park, no brakes applied). Now you will see the tire slightly roll back. Turn to the steering wheel all the way right and you'll see the tire forward. Now if you apply the brakes(hard), you're keeping the tire to roll, making it hard to turn......go check it out.

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Sure makes it hard to hook up the trailer sometimes.
 
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Old Apr 18, 2009 | 08:13 AM
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I bet all the V-10's do it. Mine does. It's kinda hard on the front end parts to turn the wheel with it not rolling....
 
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Old Apr 18, 2009 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Bennie C.
That's normal. The engine does not have nothing to do with it. Let me try to explain myself a little. Do this. Have someone sit in the driver's seat while you are outside staring at the driver side front wheel. Have him/her turn the steering to the all the way to the left(engine idling, trans in park, no brakes applied). Now you will see the tire slightly roll back. Turn to the steering wheel all the way right and you'll see the tire forward. Now if you apply the brakes(hard), you're keeping the tire to roll, making it hard to turn......go check it out.

Bennie C.
That's so cool!!! (not really, but it explains the problem)
 
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Old Apr 19, 2009 | 07:39 AM
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My 250 is terrible at this, it doesn't even want to turn unless it rolling.
My Ex turns with ease while stopped, even with lite brake pressure it still turns fine, but with some drag.
So no not all are this way.
 
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 10:58 AM
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My 05 Ex 6.0 will paint a black circle when I turn while stopped,
but it's an easy turn - no binding at all
(unless I have it in 4 wheel drive on hard surfaced street DOOH )
 
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:21 PM
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I have an 05 EX PSD and it has no problem turning dry. Moan's a tad, but very little!!

Hey Troll or Xman - I live in Chuluota - I have probably seen you around and haven't even noticed!!
 
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:22 PM
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oops - double post - my bad!!
 
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