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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 11:28 PM
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EPA mode

04 6.0L 240tho KMS. latest flash after the "buzz flash". heads lifted for the 2nd time. so i went to a performance diesel place to repair it. went with ARP studs, stock gaskets. the shop convinced me for $889 to instal a EGR delete. im guessin liberetor? well i got the truck back. runs good. no pukin right now. i did a 1800KM trip to the mountains n back pullin a 28ft trailer loaded with 5 sleds. when we got in the hilly areas i thought id put my chip on tow settin so it would lock up the TC. well, i couldnt pull a hill with it set to tow. my EGTS would climb fast n hard. the more ive been thinkin and tinkerin i belive my truck went into limp mode. before i was seeing 36PSI boost under WOT loaded. with or with out the chip. now 30PSI is max. milage is hard to tell in the canadian winters, but im beleving my EGTS are climbin cuz my "inline" programmer is fuelin it, but EPA is D-boosting it. its the weekend so shop is closed. but monday ill be callin NAPD ( its where this shop gets it stuff from) to ask if they have had problems like this. i dont think its a vane/accuator issue. like others say, good power down below, poor up top with less boost.

sooo, is there a by pass yet? or a fix? right now its lookin like puttin EGR cooler back on to fix it. lol hope the shop didnt throw it away yet ( told them to put old parts in box of truck, none were there thuo). all the cheating and hidin from athorities weve done with these trucks they sure thought of a good one to fool us.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 11:35 PM
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Your post was unbelievably hard to read.

You need a custom tuner to bypass the fixed vein position but if your hitting 30psi that is not your problem.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2009 | 11:51 PM
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there is a problem, the truck has ran with 36psi max for the last 2yrs ive had my guages. i tapped into the air to air pipe just after the turbo. thats why im readin so high im guessing. not to be rude in anyway, but i know my truck and when its not acting normal. theres a million posts askin about EPA mode, just none giving a fix and thats what im lookin for.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dieselburner6.0
there is a problem, the truck has ran with 36psi max for the last 2yrs ive had my guages. i tapped into the air to air pipe just after the turbo. thats why im readin so high im guessing. not to be rude in anyway, but i know my truck and when its not acting normal. theres a million posts askin about EPA mode, just none giving a fix and thats what im lookin for.
Just like Liv said.... get a custom tuner. If you do research you will find a lot of threads on how custom tuners disable the egr valve. I believe this will be a lot cheaper than installing the old egr cooler again.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 05:57 AM
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can PPE do custom tunes? the shop i had the work done at sells them. if not who else do i contact? thanks.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jmaskew
Just like Liv said.... get a custom tuner. If you do research you will find a lot of threads on how custom tuners disable the egr valve. I believe this will be a lot cheaper than installing the old egr cooler again.
That is going to be the cheapest way to do it. The only other way to have it done if you didn't want to go the custom tuner right, is to put the bypass in, but leave the valve active. Even though it wouldn't be doing anything the sensor would atleast think it's still going.

Unfortunately, since you can't unscramble an egg, your going to have to go the custom tuner route.

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can PPE do custom tunes? the shop i had the work done at sells them. if not who else do i contact? thanks.
PPE does wonders for Dodges, but not so much for Fords. Since your needing something now, I would suggest SCT and I have heard Innovative is the place to get tunes for SCT now. Elite Diesel would be the second option I believe.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 09:18 AM
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[quote=tex25025;7263986]That is going to be the cheapest way to do it. The only other way to have it done if you didn't want to go the custom tuner right, is to put the bypass in, but leave the valve active. Even though it wouldn't be doing anything the sensor would atleast think it's still going.


Correct me if i am wrong but i believe that will not work just using the egr valve, The MAF sensor is looking for a change in flow through the intake when the egr valve is commanded to open. So just a dummy valve will not work as the ecm will not see a change in flow and put it in epa limp mode.
As far as i know "Hearing from Spartan diesel" no one has a tuner that can disable the epa mode. Yes that can disable the egr function, but if you have the lattest flash then you get limp mode. According to spartan they or anyone else has not been able to locate or modify the fuel table for the epa limp mode. Looks like you get a computer with the buzz or earler flash or leave the egr system in until someone comes up with a solution.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by vlietracer64

Correct me if i am wrong but i believe that will not work just using the egr valve, The MAF sensor is looking for a change in flow through the intake when the egr valve is commanded to open. So just a dummy valve will not work as the ecm will not see a change in flow and put it in epa limp mode.
I believe your talking about the insufficient flow error(or the other related error, can't remember it's title).


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As far as i know "Hearing from Spartan diesel" no one has a tuner that can disable the epa mode.
That info has changed.

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Yes that can disable the egr function, but if you have the lattest flash then you get limp mode. According to spartan they or anyone else has not been able to locate or modify the fuel table for the epa limp mode. Looks like you get a computer with the buzz or earler flash or leave the egr system in until someone comes up with a solution.
Again that information has changed. Yes that was true at one point, but like so many things, things change.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tex25025
I believe your talking about the insufficient flow error(or the other related error, can't remember it's title).




That info has changed.



Again that information has changed. Yes that was true at one point, but like so many things, things change.
.....Well thats good news, sorry for the missinformation, i have been wanting to del. my egr system and do a turner but wanted to wait until the whole "limp mode" issue got straightened out. So a SCT tuner can fix everything if i choose to del. the egr system?
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by vlietracer64
i have been wanting to del. my egr system and do a turner but wanted to wait until the whole "limp mode" issue got straightened out. So a SCT tuner can fix everything if i choose to del. the egr system?
The tuners(the people) that touted off being able to do with the SCT software did so after I switched to Matt's tuner so I'm doing that based on people(that I have no reason to dispute at this time) experiance with the SCT deleting the EGR system electronically. However, with Matt's tuner you are able to do that. The reason why you are able to do that is because the tunes that he gives you have strategies in them, so it doesn't matter what strategy Ford gives you, each tune that he sends you comes with a strategy that was best known for whatever tuning function that you wanted. In other words, he would try to find the best strategy that was known for MPG gains for your econ. tune, best power strategy for your high hp tunes(relative to what your vehicle is capable of of course).

Typically those strategies are your older ones, but the point that makes it different from what your saying is that a tuner can bypass epa mode. I don't know how SCT does it as I don't have an SCT anymore, but I know how Matt's does it.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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the delete kit they used leaves the EGR in place n plugged in, its loops coolant lines, new uppie pipe, and a plate for the bottom of the intake hole. but i do have the latest flash, being a 04 i think thats why no CEL.

TEX25025- whats the best way to get a hold of matt? i dont want to wait much longer with this, im afraid of the turbo gettin gummed up stuck in EPA. my old EGR cooler n pipe was good. wasnt lossing coolant there, just out the d-gas bottle. only thing with the tuner now is price. i dumped 6 grand into doin the heads, work slowin down a little, cash gettin tighter. so if i cant do the tuner now, the shop will have to remove the delete n put the stock parts back on. how can they sell a product that leaves a guy in a condition like this?

thanks for the replys.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dieselburner6.0
TEX25025- whats the best way to get a hold of matt? i dont want to wait much longer with this, im afraid of the turbo gettin gummed up stuck in EPA. my old EGR cooler n pipe was good. wasnt lossing coolant there, just out the d-gas bottle. only thing with the tuner now is price. i dumped 6 grand into doin the heads, work slowin down a little, cash gettin tighter. so if i cant do the tuner now, the shop will have to remove the delete n put the stock parts back on. how can they sell a product that leaves a guy in a condition like this?

thanks for the replys.
Well the best way is not a way that I can give you, but I will try to do that on your behalf. I was told not to give it out, so I can't. If you want to lay the ground work, you can email him and I'll try to get ahold of him tomorrow, I have to anyway. He is pretty busy I know with trying to get loose ends finally resolved on his new deal, so I'll try to see what I can do. Sometimes it takes even me awhile, but I eventually get there.
 
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 11:50 PM
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thats alright tex. i sent him a email (calibrations@spartandieseltech.com) about the truck and what i do with it. i gave him my email n cell if he wants to contact me after he talks to you. thanks again.
 
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