Dang liberals want to take away our phallic symbols that we cling to like religion?

 

Do you know if this would mean micro printing on the firing pin or some kind of stamp in the breech face?

 

easy fix file the firing pin. This is absolute BS! Everyone said that "O" would be too busy fixing the economy and wouldn't have time to pick on gun owners! Guess we know the truth now.

 

They have not specified the method, but most talk about microprinting on the firing pin. Other legislation wants it on each round from the factory.

I suspect this will not stop the criminals since they could easily wipe out the microprinting. I also suspect just normal wear and tear may do the same over time, then what? Will it be an illegal gun then?

Just sounds like more methods to make it difficult for gun companies and owners to make and own the firearm of their choice.

I could go on and on about the various schemes to make various bullets and guns illegal or difficult to own or shoot. Soon we will be making bullets out of unobtanium since lead bullets are rapidly being outlawed with new and exciting laws which outlaw them for condor range, next will be anywhere a scavenger might ingest them etc.

A lot of grey zones for people who reload or own anitique firearms where no one makes or will make modern bullets that meet the requirements of the law.

Jim Henderson

 

UP DATE
A visit to the website Ammunition Accountability.Org -- they also run a mirror .com site -- would lead you to believe that they were a grassroots conglomeration of concerned citizens and civic leaders with an unimpressive, low-tech website.

That couldn’t be further from the truth.

The Ammunition Accountability Act and corresponding website are run by a company that developed the technology necessary to enforce the same legislation they lobby for. In other words, the founders of the Ammunition Accountability Act are pushing legislation which will have a direct and substantial financial benefit to them.

The legislation calls for each individual piece of ammunition produced to be etched or stamped with a unique serial number. This patented technology was developed by Russ Ford and his business partners Steve Mace and John Knickerbocker of Seattle, Washington.

Ford and his associates were unable to convince any ammunition manufacturers to use their technology, so they hired a lobbyist to push for state-level ammo tagging legislation.

Ostensibly Ford and company are billing this legislation as a way to stop violent crime by tracking handgun and “assault weapon” ammunition.

However, the sample text of their legislation -- provided on their website -- would outlaw the ownership of all non-tagged ammo of any caliber. Additionally, the legislation would require a state-run database to track each ammunition serial number and information on who purchased each round of ammo.

Not only does the legislation directly aim to financial benefit Ford and his business partners, but it will push most ammunition manufactures out of business, and make home reloading ammunition illegal.

Their legislation has been introduced in 18 states, however none of introduced pieces of legislation have gotten beyond committee hearings in any state. All the introduced bills died on their respective calendars when each state legislative session adjourned sine die.

Ammunition Accountability is little more than a couple of anti-gunners trying to cash in on hoplophobia.

http://www.nationalgunrights.org/......tability.shtml

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The Ammunition Accountability Act e-mail a hoax - It already failed in 2008

If you own a gun, there’s one thing for sure - you are living in constant fear that Barack Obama is going to come to your house and forcibly take it away. Never mind the slew of issues that are threatening the nation, for gun owners, Barack Obama and the Democrats represent the ultimate worst-case scenario - gun-control activists with a badge.

It is with this in mind that I received an e-mail breathlessly titled “We Told You so!!” that brings up the Ammunition Accountability Act. As Snopes has yet to provide us with a handy go-to link to debunk this, I figured I’d try my hand at it.

*COPY OF EMAIL WAS HERE* (I left it out so the post didn't drag on)

First off, sorry for not fixing the format, but I’ll be damned if I’ll fix formatting on another e-mail that’s been forwarded so often it makes it impossible to decipher. Second off, some quick research showed me this - The Ammunition Accountability Act is real, but the e-mail is a hoax. All sponsored AAA Legislation came up in 2007 and 2008 and none even made it to a vote.

Here is what happened to AAA legislation in the 18 states it came up (info was either obtained via phone calls to state legislatures or use of state Web sites):

Alabama Senate Bill 541: It was indefinitely postponed in House of origin. It will not pass and would have to be reintroduced.

Arizona House Bill 2833: It never got heard in any committee. Never voted on. It would have to be reintroduced.


California Senate Bill 997: SB997 has no Info on it, and died in committee. SB1471 passed and is now known as the “Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007.” It was authored by Assemblymember Mike Feuer (D-Los Angeles) and was signed by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. You can read the final bill here. The bill is in regard to handguns and microstamping, not ammunition. It also has no wording in it that would indicate that citizens would need to turn in their guns. It could also be rendered moot depending on the technology. It is not a part of the AAA agenda.

Connecticut Raised Bill 603: The bill was raised and had a public hearing. No action was taken. Bill would need to be re-introduced.

Hawaii House Bill 2392, Hawaii Senate Bill 2020, Hawaii Senate Bill 2076: All bills were deferred to the judiciary with no further action taken. Bill would need to be reintroduced.

Illinois House Bills 4258, 4259, 4269, 4349. Illinois Senate Bill 1095: All bills referred to Rules Committee. No other actions were taken.

Indiana House Bill 1260: Was sent to committee and not acted on again. It would need to be reintroduced.

Kentucky House Bill 715: Was withdrawn.

Maryland House Bill 517: No copy of the report. It didn’t pass. Would need to be reintroduced.

Mississippi Senate Bill 2286: Died in Committee.

Missouri Senate Bill 1200: Referred to Judiciary. Would need to be reintroduced.

New Jersey Assembly Bill 2490: Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee. Would need to be reintroduced.

Pennsylvania House Bill: Referred to the Judiciary on Feb. 5, 2008. No other action taken.

Rhode Island Senate Bill 2742: Committee recommended measure be held for further study. It would need to be reintroduced.

South Carolina Senate Bill 1259: Was referred to a subcommittee with no further action taken. Would need to be reintroduced.

Tennessee House Bill 3245, Tennessee Senate Bill 3395: Both were sent to the judiciary committee with no other action taken. Would need to be reintroduced.

Washington House Bill 3359: Was referred to the Judiciary with no other action taken. Would need to be reintroduced.

Ammunitionaccountability.org: This Web site was last update on Dec. 3, 2008.

Conclusion: The Ammunition Accountability Act (AAA) was introduced in 18 state legislatures in 2007 and 2008. It didn’t pass in any form nor even make it to a vote. California’s “Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007″ does not involve ammunition and is not part of the AAA. While the e-mail points out that the bills are “pending,” that is false. No AAA bills are currently pending from the list the AAA Web site provided.

The AAA made little to no headway in 2007 or 2008, and there is no reason to believe it would in 2009, if it were to be reintroduced, which as of yet it hasn’t. The AAA e-mail has gained traction due to fears by gun owners that it was something new, and that Obama has a part in it somehow, which he doesn’t. While concerned gun owners could keep an eye out for future AAA bills, at this point, the issue is a non-issue. The e-mail is a politically motivated hoax.

–WKW

http://www.williamkwolfrum.com/...eady-failed-in-2008/



and finally......Google - "Ammunition Accountability Act hoax"

 

Part of the reason I didn't vote for Hillary......Sec./ State.......& < her antigun BS in the past.) AND the "socialized medicine" bill that everyone said was so great - till they saw what it was all about....I expect to see it again.

 

For those interested and living in Calif, California rifle and Pistol Association has a website, simply enough CRPA

Never knew that, though it makes sense.

On a quick look, it seems fairly informative.

Jim Henderson

 

The whole point of this BS thats coming down the line, is to regulate and legislate gun owner ship out of existence. If we look at the details too closely, we lose sight of the big picture, and that is to deny the law abiding public its 2nd amendment rights as guaranteed under the constitution. If we spend too much time wondering about, micro-printing, ammo accountability and what ever new regulations or taxes they trot out, the next thing you know it will be too late. .....Do not analyze too closely the BS put out by people who know nothing about firearms and ignorantly fear them, simply oppose ALL new firearms regulations that are introduced. .....Draw a line in the sand, NO new regs, laws etc.., enforce the ones on the books, and stand firm!...Join the NRA. hell, give them a check for whatever you can afford, Its money well spent if you value your gun rights! No other organization has the clout of the NRA when it comes to your gun rights, and they spend it wisely with attorneys and legislative action groups, not bonuses and new headquarter buildings...............But be prepared, the biggest assault on gun ownership in US history is about to be launched.........DON'T GIVE 1 INCH!

 

While the email may be considered a hoax I think the threat remains valid. The antigunners won't be satisifed until they have taken more of our second amendment rights away.

 

Agreed - we do not need more gun laws if the laws ON THE BOOKS are not enforced now. There are laws on the books now that provide a mandantory sentence ( without parole ) IF they are enforced. It's like cigarette taxes keep going up because "it's politically correct" for a safer environment, etc. (( The crime capitol of the US, is Washington DC AND it has the toughest gun laws )) That should tell us what gun laws do. A few towns have "guns required" laws and have the lowest crime rates in the country.

 

"An armed society is a polite society"
R. A. Heinlein

 

Thanks for serving our country! When did you make the trip to the "sand box"?

Hmmm... since 1991? Sounds like you are about to retire

 

I must have missed something. What would be so bad about marking ammunition, keeping track of who has what?

I cant tell where that would harm any right at all? (I think taxing it would be stupid though, last thing anyone needs is more tax to pay!)

 

Here's the problem Preppy,we are in a system where our gov. is given limited rights to know all about everything we have,own,and use.....Why not let the Gov know how many rolls of Toilet paper we own,or cans of beans,etc. Why does our Gov. have a justifiable reason to know this about us? We have an element here in the US,who has an agenda of banning private ownership of guns,and who will try anything,unethical,or clandestine to enact there goal. They may not be able to do it through the front door,with outright bans,but they just might make a more indirect attempt,by doing things like enacting anti lead legislation,or making laws which tax or regulate certain businesses into closure,requiring ammo marking etc. As i recall,you have got far more restrictive firearms laws in Canada than we do,perhaps you dont mind these restrictions,but we consider these to be restrictions to rights that we have been guaranteed by our constitution....Everything ive heard leads me to believe that you(Canadians,that is) have bigger Government and less inalienable rights than we do,and we arent ready to cede more power and control to our Government....

 

I can respect the fact that no one wants the gov. to have any more control over us then they already do, but regarding the stamping (or marking) of ammo, I just dont see what the big deal is still.

I know you were trying to make a point when you said should they keep track of toilet paper, but I do think ammo is a little different. When it comes to ammo then I can see it on both sides of the arguement, but as a legal gun owner, I could really care less if they kept track of how much ammo I bought. I can see that they would want to know if some people were stockpiling the hell out of it, maybe some terrorists got their hands a hold of some, and by keeping track of who has what for ammo sitting around, that might prevent a terrorist attack of some sorts.. (point to ponder)

In the end I still dont see how marking ammo would take away anything from a constitutional right. (not trying to argue just trying to learn, as an "outsider"!) Would anyone feel safer knowing that even bad guys had marked ammo?

At the end of the day you can still have guns, still buy ammo, and the only real difference would be, that the gov knows you have ammo, and it would be marked. As a legal gun owner/user, what would it matter? (I must be missing something)

We do have very different gun laws up here for sure! Some feel it is taking away from our rights, but it seems to be working OK, pretty much anyone who wants a gun can get one (you have to get the proper paperwork and whatnot, and its harder to get guns like handguns and assault rifles).
Im definatly not an anti gun kinda guy either.