Thoughts from the Dark side
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Thoughts from the Dark side
As a short-term member of this forum, my understanding of the euphemism “Dark” side is one that makes modifications to stock. If that’s the case, then I’m a “darker shade of pale”, along the heritage of Darth Vader.
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My curiosity is directed to those “purists” (no offense intended) who choose to keep their vehicles stock. Unless selling as a vintage vehicle, are there reasons you would not upgrade at least the safety components of the truck, e.g., dual master cylinder, disc brakes, seatbelts, steering, etc?
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My curiosity is directed to those “purists” (no offense intended) who choose to keep their vehicles stock. Unless selling as a vintage vehicle, are there reasons you would not upgrade at least the safety components of the truck, e.g., dual master cylinder, disc brakes, seatbelts, steering, etc?
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From: Enfield Connecticut
I have a hard time viewing modifications in terms of 'dark side' and 'lightside'.
I've wanted an F-1 for years and years. I built them up in my head: Black with gold scallops, maybe flat black with red steelies? Chrome reverse wheels? Caddy engine? Olds? Small block Ford?
After a year and a half of working on the ol' girl with a ton of help from my grandfather who is an old school body man, I just kind of fell in love with the truck's original character. Sure, I'm going to throw dual exhaust on with maybe two Holley 94's on the old flathead. As for safety, I'm heavily considering modern brakes as a safety precaution. People in New England drive too crazy for me to rely on single pot master cylinders and drum brakes.
When I'm all said and done, I would still consider my truck to be stock, especially when parked next to someone with a flip up nose, 460 or Chevy motor and a CD player cut into the dash. Just my .02
I've wanted an F-1 for years and years. I built them up in my head: Black with gold scallops, maybe flat black with red steelies? Chrome reverse wheels? Caddy engine? Olds? Small block Ford?
After a year and a half of working on the ol' girl with a ton of help from my grandfather who is an old school body man, I just kind of fell in love with the truck's original character. Sure, I'm going to throw dual exhaust on with maybe two Holley 94's on the old flathead. As for safety, I'm heavily considering modern brakes as a safety precaution. People in New England drive too crazy for me to rely on single pot master cylinders and drum brakes.
When I'm all said and done, I would still consider my truck to be stock, especially when parked next to someone with a flip up nose, 460 or Chevy motor and a CD player cut into the dash. Just my .02
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From: Cape Coral FL
As a short-term member of this forum, my understanding of the euphemism “Dark” side is one that makes modifications to stock. If that’s the case, then I’m a “darker shade of pale”, along the heritage of Darth Vader.
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My curiosity is directed to those “purists” (no offense intended) who choose to keep their vehicles stock. Unless selling as a vintage vehicle, are there reasons you would not upgrade at least the safety components of the truck, e.g., dual master cylinder, disc brakes, seatbelts, steering, etc?
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My curiosity is directed to those “purists” (no offense intended) who choose to keep their vehicles stock. Unless selling as a vintage vehicle, are there reasons you would not upgrade at least the safety components of the truck, e.g., dual master cylinder, disc brakes, seatbelts, steering, etc?
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From: Windermere Valley,B.C. Ca
My curiosity is directed to those “purists” (no offense intended) who choose to keep their vehicles stock. Unless selling as a vintage vehicle, are there reasons you would not upgrade at least the safety components of the truck, e.g., dual master cylinder, disc brakes, seatbelts, steering, etc? <o></o>
<o></o>Three (3) parts;
1. Usage, if only used for parades or running around town (or on a trailer), stock will work. Not for extended freeway trips.
2. Improvements, if for safety reasons or any other reason it is still a modification, and this is a slippery slope with no rules other then self-justification in the extreme. It’s just like being pregnant, you are or you are not, no gray area, either its modified or its not. For some reason what becomes important or contentious is the degree of modification.
3. Ego, (aka being human and/or keeping score) whatever I have or do is the better then you and therefore I am smarter, better, etc. “It’s completely stock, you know?” ?” or ” It takes a real man to cut up a old truck”.
The real truth, ........nobody but you cares! Tee Hee, round one.
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From: I live in Leitchfield, KY
I was on a motorcycle website recently and they also use the term "Darkside" I am almost burnt with it, I cant leave anything alone. My mother always asked me why cant you just leave it like it is? I got to be me!!! I always change something, and most of the time I change it alot but just love seeing these old Fords running down the road whether they have to run in the slow lane or the fast lane with the windows up ( I love A/C)!
There is a thread that I started a long time ago asking what the definition of a "Darksider" is. I dont know where it is and cant find it (I'm much better with a welder than a computer)
This is a good topic if we can keep some people from getting mad
There is a thread that I started a long time ago asking what the definition of a "Darksider" is. I dont know where it is and cant find it (I'm much better with a welder than a computer)This is a good topic if we can keep some people from getting mad
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From: Holland In
I got my 53 F 100 at the age of 13, my dad brought it from the old man who lived one farm over, who brought it new. It was complete and running, it needed new wood in the bed and a seat cover.
I couldn't wait to hot rod it, so thats what I did Big block, auto trans, brakes, wheels tires, dump bed, interior,sound system.
I have had many other truck over the years, but none have been stock, it seams however I can't get the totaly pure stock truck out of my mine! There may be a day
(very soon) when I start yet another project, only this time stock!
And I do still have the ol girl after 37 years
So I am darksider with a light spots.
I couldn't wait to hot rod it, so thats what I did Big block, auto trans, brakes, wheels tires, dump bed, interior,sound system.
I have had many other truck over the years, but none have been stock, it seams however I can't get the totaly pure stock truck out of my mine! There may be a day
(very soon) when I start yet another project, only this time stock!
And I do still have the ol girl after 37 years
So I am darksider with a light spots.
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From: Bend, Oregon
well, its true, when you change something from "stock," how it rolled off the floor, then its really not stock anymore...But I always was under the impression "darksider," ment mix matching, chevy, olds, Volarie, and whatever else...Most of us will or have put a little of our own custom personality to our rigs...Like for me...I want a lower profile, but I'm somewhat a purest...so, I'll stick with a straight axel, maybe use a drop axel, or go with a mono leaf. on the other hand, I want to use my wipers and lights at the same time to if its dark -n- rain'en...so 12 volt seems like a good idea. I don't like the thought of sittin on a bomb so, the tank goes in the back...so, yeah, it won't be stock...but It will still be a FORD
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I guess that when you change anything from the stock configuration, your truck then becomes "modified". I to want a stock looking truck and I am going to start out near stock. After driving it a while I will know what I want to change. Again if it's for show or parades I guess stock would be the way to go. But if you are going to drive it everyday, as I plan to do mine, there are thing that need to be updated. These old trucks in stock configuration do in fact "drive and ride like a truck". At the end of the day, it's your truck, build it the way you want it and don't worry about labels.
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Make whatever changes to the truck that satisfy your heart...
...we won't think any less of you (wink, wink)
The important things is that another old truck is on the road and being enjoyed! To heck with labels. I get so tired of everybody spending way too much time trying to pigeon hole everything into catagories. You can't make everything black and white, we live in a grey world.
Enjoy the ride
Bobby
...we won't think any less of you (wink, wink)
The important things is that another old truck is on the road and being enjoyed! To heck with labels. I get so tired of everybody spending way too much time trying to pigeon hole everything into catagories. You can't make everything black and white, we live in a grey world.
Enjoy the ride
Bobby
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Make whatever changes to the truck that satisfy your heart...
...we won't think any less of you (wink, wink)
The important things is that another old truck is on the road and being enjoyed! To heck with labels. I get so tired of everybody spending way too much time trying to pigeon hole everything into catagories. You can't make everything black and white, we live in a grey world.
Enjoy the ride
Bobby
...we won't think any less of you (wink, wink)
The important things is that another old truck is on the road and being enjoyed! To heck with labels. I get so tired of everybody spending way too much time trying to pigeon hole everything into catagories. You can't make everything black and white, we live in a grey world.
Enjoy the ride
Bobby
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From: Northshore, MN
As a short-term member of this forum, my understanding of the euphemism “Dark” side is one that makes modifications to stock. If that’s the case, then I’m a “darker shade of pale”, along the heritage of Darth Vader.
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My curiosity is directed to those “purists” (no offense intended) who choose to keep their vehicles stock. Unless selling as a vintage vehicle, are there reasons you would not upgrade at least the safety components of the truck, e.g., dual master cylinder, disc brakes, seatbelts, steering, etc?
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My curiosity is directed to those “purists” (no offense intended) who choose to keep their vehicles stock. Unless selling as a vintage vehicle, are there reasons you would not upgrade at least the safety components of the truck, e.g., dual master cylinder, disc brakes, seatbelts, steering, etc?
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Darkside fits in there somewhere.
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I gotta go with havi on this one... It ain't 1948 anymore and there's no chance you are going to be afforded the consideration you need by the drivers that are out there today. The people out there today just think you go as fast, stop as fast and corner as well as the latest thing on the road. If you plan on driving your truck in the world of today you need to update it. If you are into the pure restore thing then it's best to just drive them in parades and show them at car shows.
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Later Folks...
Darkside or lightside
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well theres pros and cons for both thoughts keep it stock or update tomodern safety standards my 51 will heve a 5.0 liter engine rack and pinion steering but i am keeping the straight i beam axle up front i want driveability to just turn the key and go dont need the old wiring issues or the overheating but ...the truck will have a stock look like a 1951 merc should so like grumpy 46 said to each their own just enjoy like i always say do your own thing ...........oldies