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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 02:30 PM
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As we all know, SVT is putting their names on products again, not just as "Ford Performance Vehicles." Unless you have been under the deepest, darkest rock for about a year, they released the badass SVT Raptor!!! We all know that a street racer truck is not the most graceful of vehicles (like we care!), but what do y'all think. Could Lightning strike a third time. And also what other SVT vehicles could be on the way.

IMO, I think a SVT Focus, Mustang, Taurus, and Fusion (at least) are on the way.

But seriously, I'd like to hear your ideas and opinions.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 06:51 PM
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If they get a SVT Fusion I'd want it. Although I think they already are and it will be called the "sport". With the sport I see no need for an SVT Fusion. The Taurus SVT version will be the "SHO" version, right?
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 07:13 PM
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If they get a SVT Fusion I'd want it. Although I think they already are and it will be called the "sport". With the sport I see no need for an SVT Fusion. The Taurus SVT version will be the "SHO" version, right?
With a SVT Fusion, I bet it would be popular as a midsized. However we would never know as an SVT. They made SVT Mustangs, and those are already sporty and have "sport" packages. And with the F150, there is an FX4 package and they made the Raptor.

Yes, the Taurus would be the SHO, although some are suggesting a Fusion "SHO."
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 07:29 PM
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Just imagine! A v8 Fusion. That would be one awesome car. Or just throw a turbo on the 3.5L and slap it in there. either way, they could sell the crap out of that car, It would be like the Cobalt SS, only better.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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"ECOBOOST DEBUT: FUEL-EFFICIENT NEW V-6 ENGINE GIVES FLAGSHIP LINCOLN MKS THE POWER OF A V-8" -Lincoln Press Release

So in the 2010 model year the MKS get the ecoboost. Wouldnt that mean it is only right around the corner for the Fusion? I bet if there is a SVT Fusion it would be with a ecoboost and probably tuned up a bit to make 400hp instead of the 350hp the ecoboost is supposed to make.

Other than that I dont have any thing real but hopes of a SVT Mustang. And why would anyone want a SVT Focus even if they made one? They are ugly and slow, I doubt even SVT could change that, the money and the market is not there from where I stand. With the sales still dropping like a lead balloon I would doubt seeing more than a Raptor from SVT for at least the next 2 years.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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didn't they make a svt focus early in the focus years????? I swear i remember seeing a few....
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 09:16 PM
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Ecoboost in the Fusion would be my dream. I would trade mine in for it. ALTHOUGH since its a turbo would it require premium?
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 10:35 PM
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didn't they make a svt focus early in the focus years????? I swear i remember seeing a few....
Yeah, but why not make a second one. Look at the Lightning, they had a gap between 1st and 2nd Gens.
 
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Ecoboost in the Fusion would be my dream. I would trade mine in for it. ALTHOUGH since its a turbo would it require premium?
My best geuss would be yes, it would need premium. But on the other hand i am not sure because in the article I read it said it could run on E85, so i am not sure. With the more power and better millage running premium would still be cheaper than running regular in a non ecoboot fusion.
 
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Ecoboost in the Fusion would be my dream. I would trade mine in for it. ALTHOUGH since its a turbo would it require premium?
Ecoboost in the 2010 Fusion. That would be amazing. But yeah...it probably would have to use premium.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 11:34 PM
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To chime in for the 3rd time I'd really be interested about the turbo lag if there is any, which I would assume there is. I wonder how big the turbo(s) is/are? AND another thing that i was thinking is with the fusion being a front wheel drive car, how bad would the torque steer be... I dont think the torque steer is that bad on the current one. Although I have noticed it once or twice.

EDIT: I just realized that i sort of hijacked this thread and for this I apologize. I will start a thread in the ecoboost forum

EDIT 2: Do we even have an ecoboost forum or am I losing it.
 
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Originally Posted by fordtruckman
To chime in for the 3rd time I'd really be interested about the turbo lag if there is any, which I would assume there is. I wonder how big the turbo(s) is/are? AND another thing that i was thinking is with the fusion being a front wheel drive car, how bad would the torque steer be... I dont think the torque steer is that bad on the current one. Although I have noticed it once or twice.
sorry for the long post but it will answer the lag question. Plus if you are like me you might find this interesting. Especially considering they claim by the 2013 model year 90% of their vehicles will have ecoboost.

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Turbo lag virtually eliminated
The simultaneous turbocharger operation paired with the direct-injection system help to virtually eliminate turbo lag, one of the main reasons turbocharger technology was not previously more widely used.
The dual-turbocharger setup has several advantages over previous turbocharging systems, including:
  • The turbochargers are smaller, resulting in more-compact exhaust manifolds, which don't generate as much heat
  • Turbochargers are packaged adjacent to the cylinder block and have improved mounting providing NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) improvements
  • The dual turbochargers spool up quicker, allowing the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 engine to reach peak torque faster. The turbochargers spin at approximately 170,000 rpm. By comparison, the redline for the engine is approximately 6,500 rpm
"The two turbochargers both operate identically over the speed range of the engine - one is responsible for the left bank of the engine and the other is responsible for the right bank," Hinds said. "Both spin immediately and produce boost, even at low engine speeds."
The turbochargers are designed for a life cycle of 150,000 miles or 10 years.
"Our testing is far, far more harsh than could be achieved in the real world," Hinds. "In an extreme situation, a customer might be able to hit peak power for about 10 seconds - probably not even that much. We test at peak power for hundreds of hours to ensure we can reach our durability and reliability goals."
The turbochargers are only about the size of an orange, but help provide a big performance advantage to customers. Hinds describes the torque response in terms of linear acceleration - power whenever you need it.
"You get peak torque across a very wide engine speed range," he said. "It's available when you pull away from a stoplight or pass someone on a secondary road at a comparatively low speed. You don't need to wind up the engine to get performance out of it. It's there all the time."
Turbocharger "whoosh" is mitigated by electronically controlled anti-surge valves, which proactively relieve the boost in the intake, which can range up to 12 PSI. Careful software calibrations manage the pressures in the intake manifold.
"We control the boost to make sure that customers don't recognize when the boost is building," Hinds said. "As the turbochargers spool up, the electronic control system takes over. Our active wastegate control along with the throttle controls the boost and torque levels very precisely and the customer perceives a continuous delivery of torque."
Extensive durability tests on the twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 engine ensure it will excel in all conditions. Start-up tests, with a wide variety of fuels, were made in conditions ranging from minus 40 to 110 degrees Fahrenheit. Altitude testing up to 12,000 feet in Colorado also was performed.
"The direct-injection fuel system allows us some real opportunities in terms of optimizing cold start for both emissions and robustness," Hinds said. "We have multiple injections for each combustion event, and we can essentially tune where those injections should take place to deliver the strongest start possible with the lowest emissions."
Mated to the 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6 engine is the 6-speed 6F-55 SelectShift automatic transmission, which is dedicated to the twin-turbocharger engine. The 6F-55 transmission was developed from the successful 6F-50 transmission to specifically respond to the increased torque demands of the EcoBoost V-6 engine. Upgrades were made to the transmission's friction material in response to the higher shift energies, and a new torque converter has been optimized for performance and fuel economy.
Additionally, the 6F-55 transmission operates more efficiently. The transmission team was able to reduce the fluid level in the transmission, which in turn reduced weight and drag torque on the system. Upgrades to the transmission's thermal valve mean the system warms up quicker, reducing gear-spin losses.
"We've upgraded the gear sets to handle the increased torque," said Joe Baum, powertrain team leader. "We've also adjusted the final drive ratio and matched the gear ratios to provide the optimum performance and fuel economy.
"Our final drive ration is 2.73. With a lower final drive ratio, the engine spins lower at highway speeds, which helps save fuel. And with all the torque, the Lincoln MKS still delivers good low-speed launch performance.""



-Lincoln Press Release as taken from Lincoln MKS receives new 3.5L EcoBoost engine - worldcarfans



look down towards the bottom and there is a little thing saying press release and click on it to expand it for viewing.
 
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interesting... we need an ecoboost forum.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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Just imagine! A v8 Fusion. That would be one awesome car. Or just throw a turbo on the 3.5L and slap it in there. either way, they could sell the crap out of that car, It would be like the Cobalt SS, only better.
Most definitely better than the Cobalt SS. That car doesn't sell very well or get good critical reception like the Ford Fusion. The Fusion gets high reviews all the time.
 
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To chime in for the 3rd time I'd really be interested about the turbo lag if there is any, which I would assume there is. I wonder how big the turbo(s) is/are? AND another thing that i was thinking is with the fusion being a front wheel drive car, how bad would the torque steer be... I dont think the torque steer is that bad on the current one. Although I have noticed it once or twice.

EDIT: I just realized that i sort of hijacked this thread and for this I apologize. I will start a thread in the ecoboost forum

EDIT 2: Do we even have an ecoboost forum or am I losing it.
It wouldn't be to bad. The Taurus was a FWD and they made the SHO with a Yamaha (1st and 2nd Gen) and a special V8 (3rd Gen).

Oh and don't worry about the whole hijacking thing.
 
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