Is Chrysler done?
i ain't rite
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From: Marlboro Mental Hospital.
somewhere between zero, and minus 500.
ford has already ended it's relations with navistar, and is in the process of releasing it's own engines for the upcoming model year trucks.
ford has already ended it's relations with navistar, and is in the process of releasing it's own engines for the upcoming model year trucks.
Cargo Master
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From: Cook Forest and Irwin PA
well ford lost the lawsuit and settled out of court for an undisclosed sum, and navistar entered with nissan who sells trucks in AUS, SA and the African SC by the boatload - all diesel. (plus also nissan wants to purchase the mopar truck line)
what is most worrisome is ford making its own engine. they proved beyond any doubt with the triton that they do not have the facilities to properly test a new powertrain.
Its taken well over 10 years to have a modular engine package that does not come close living up to the reliability of its predecessor and now have a go with a diesel out of the blue - this should effectively kill off any illusion of reliability of its cash cow - the F series. they are practically forcing me at gunpoint to buy my next new truck from chevy.
Unless the mexicans can do better - ford intends on sourcing these motors from mexico.
what is most worrisome is ford making its own engine. they proved beyond any doubt with the triton that they do not have the facilities to properly test a new powertrain.
Its taken well over 10 years to have a modular engine package that does not come close living up to the reliability of its predecessor and now have a go with a diesel out of the blue - this should effectively kill off any illusion of reliability of its cash cow - the F series. they are practically forcing me at gunpoint to buy my next new truck from chevy.
Unless the mexicans can do better - ford intends on sourcing these motors from mexico.
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Thank God, finally somebody who agrees with me about the modular engine line. While I am a big fan of the V10, I think the 4.2, 4.6, and 5.4 are serious disapointments compared to what is being offered now and what was offered before them by Ford. Give me a 4.9 over a 4.2, the 5.0 over the 4.6 and the 5.8 over the 5.4, ANY FREAKING DAY!
Back to the CTD/Ford topic-Back before my hiatus there was rumor floating around on here that once the Cummins contract expires with Dodge (I believe in 2010, but not positive) that Dodge will be going with a Mercedes diesel. Is that still the case? If it is then WHY THE HELL wouldnt Ford pick up the CTD, they would have a death grip on the 3/4, 1 ton market if they did.
Back to the CTD/Ford topic-Back before my hiatus there was rumor floating around on here that once the Cummins contract expires with Dodge (I believe in 2010, but not positive) that Dodge will be going with a Mercedes diesel. Is that still the case? If it is then WHY THE HELL wouldnt Ford pick up the CTD, they would have a death grip on the 3/4, 1 ton market if they did.
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From: Pa
what is most worrisome is ford making its own engine. they proved beyond any doubt with the triton that they do not have the facilities to properly test a new powertrain.
Its taken well over 10 years to have a modular engine package that does not come close living up to the reliability of its predecessor and now have a go with a diesel out of the blue - this should effectively kill off any illusion of reliability of its cash cow - the F series. they are practically forcing me at gunpoint to buy my next new truck from chevy.
Its taken well over 10 years to have a modular engine package that does not come close living up to the reliability of its predecessor and now have a go with a diesel out of the blue - this should effectively kill off any illusion of reliability of its cash cow - the F series. they are practically forcing me at gunpoint to buy my next new truck from chevy.
The modulars outpower and outlast any stock small block or big block truck engine made by Ford. Modulars will easily last 200k miles. Ford screwed up with the ealier modulars by going to aluminum heads and not adding enough threads and a few little things here and there. The modulars were/are a step in the right direction and were needed to meet emissions standards.
I own a 302 and the 4.6l will run circles around it.
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Agreed that the modulars are superior. Especially in bottom end strength.
Chrysler renewed their contract with Cummins, so you can already forget about ford picking them up. I can also think of a few reasons why ford would not pickup the cummins anyways. First and mainly being that it would require a complete redesign of the the superduties to be able to accomidate the engine. That kind of testing and developement costs millions if not billions that ford does not have, espeically since they would have to scrap their own diesel they've been working on for several years now!
Chrysler renewed their contract with Cummins, so you can already forget about ford picking them up. I can also think of a few reasons why ford would not pickup the cummins anyways. First and mainly being that it would require a complete redesign of the the superduties to be able to accomidate the engine. That kind of testing and developement costs millions if not billions that ford does not have, espeically since they would have to scrap their own diesel they've been working on for several years now!
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You mean motor mounts and a bellhousing? Theres plenty of people who have made this conversion wanting the Ford/Cummins so the interest is there. On the Chrysler minus Cummins topic it would seem completely logical to assume the next Dodge diesels would be Mercedes-Benz powered. A lightweight scaled down version of the MB4000 semi engine would be pretty neat although it would likely end up being a V8.
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really? how do you know? Is this based on extensive experience of your motor which averages 5-6 years old as compared to our decades old motor?
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From: Cook Forest and Irwin PA
You mean motor mounts and a bellhousing? Theres plenty of people who have made this conversion wanting the Ford/Cummins so the interest is there. On the Chrysler minus Cummins topic it would seem completely logical to assume the next Dodge diesels would be Mercedes-Benz powered. A lightweight scaled down version of the MB4000 semi engine would be pretty neat although it would likely end up being a V8.
One of the reasons the modular has such limited potential is the squeezed bore spacing to allow the accessory/cam drive to give an overall length slightly larger than the windsors - not 2 cylinders larger.
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My 5.4 did melt down due to a gasket failure, but that's pretty uncommon. A friend of mine also had one (2006) fail with an injector stuck open, but I also haven't heard of that much. Even with mine having coolant in the #1 cylinder and blowing the HG, most of the engine wasn't replaced. Just bolts and gaskets as well as trueing the heads. The cylinders were still perfect after 75K.
IMO I'll take a 4.6, 5.4, or 6.8 over a 5.0, 5.8, or 7.5 anyday.
Mike
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I know it outpowers them. I also can directly compare my 94 5.8 to my 2000 5.4. The 5.4 kills it in power and smoothness.
My 5.4 did melt down due to a gasket failure, but that's pretty uncommon. A friend of mine also had one (2006) fail with an injector stuck open, but I also haven't heard of that much. Even with mine having coolant in the #1 cylinder and blowing the HG, most of the engine wasn't replaced. Just bolts and gaskets as well as trueing the heads. The cylinders were still perfect after 75K.
IMO I'll take a 4.6, 5.4, or 6.8 over a 5.0, 5.8, or 7.5 anyday.
Mike
My 5.4 did melt down due to a gasket failure, but that's pretty uncommon. A friend of mine also had one (2006) fail with an injector stuck open, but I also haven't heard of that much. Even with mine having coolant in the #1 cylinder and blowing the HG, most of the engine wasn't replaced. Just bolts and gaskets as well as trueing the heads. The cylinders were still perfect after 75K.
IMO I'll take a 4.6, 5.4, or 6.8 over a 5.0, 5.8, or 7.5 anyday.
Mike
I wonder what a 5.8 would run like with todays engine controls....prolly like a gm 5.3....
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How many modulars have you owned?
One of the reasons the modular has such limited potential is the squeezed bore spacing to allow the accessory/cam drive to give an overall length slightly larger than the windsors - not 2 cylinders larger.
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I do like my 5.4, and it is simply more powerful than the 5.8 by a long shot.
IMO, the modulars were turds pre- PI heads, but after that they work well. Are they as good as the competition, i'd say no right now since I have both a 5.4 and a 5.7L hemi powered vehicle, but they are a good motor relyability wise. Other than crappy ignition coils and egr problems, the modulars seem pretty good.
IMO:
4.6/5.4 non PI < 302HO/351W < PI 4.6/5.4 < 3valve mod < 4 valve mod
the regular 302 is a turd, relyable but weak.
the 4.2L V6 is a crap, IMO and is nothing compared to the 4.9.
IMO, the modulars were turds pre- PI heads, but after that they work well. Are they as good as the competition, i'd say no right now since I have both a 5.4 and a 5.7L hemi powered vehicle, but they are a good motor relyability wise. Other than crappy ignition coils and egr problems, the modulars seem pretty good.
IMO:
4.6/5.4 non PI < 302HO/351W < PI 4.6/5.4 < 3valve mod < 4 valve mod
the regular 302 is a turd, relyable but weak.
the 4.2L V6 is a crap, IMO and is nothing compared to the 4.9.
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I don't know what a 5.8 would run like, but probably not like what a 5.4 would.
Quite honestly, having driven and still driving both 5.8s and 5.4s, you would have to be a fool to prefer the 5.8 over the 5.4 or any other engine from that era including the beloved 4.9. It may have lasted forever, but it was dreadfully slow. In an empty truck, I even liked driving the 4.2 V6 vs the 5.8.
I'll also agree that the mod engines offered today are in thier twilight. The competition has 1/2 ton engines putting out more HP and almost as much torque as the 3 valve 6.8.
I friggin hate when people take one quote and say, "HA!, that totally proves my point with this one line here".
Mike