I tow 12500 with out problems. That must be small I guess.
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I had a 06 F250 with the 5.4 in it. Ran 3.73 gears and it would pull my 8K trailer in the mountains with no problem. Just likes the rpms.
I upgraded the the 6.4 PSD this last year and I will be taking extended trips and this will work better for me. If you can get into a 3v 5.4 or a V10 that should do you. And don't be afraid of the rpms.
I upgraded the the 6.4 PSD this last year and I will be taking extended trips and this will work better for me. If you can get into a 3v 5.4 or a V10 that should do you. And don't be afraid of the rpms.
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A large fiver TT can easily weigh over 15k lbs loaded.
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He has an 06. 6.0 l in a F350 crew cab.
I am not seeing the weight diff though?????
Ussually when we go together, we both bring golfcarts. If I go racing alone I take my 4 wheeler.
His trailer is a 40' gooseneck. living space, and a lift inside.
We both have single rears. ( not duallies)
My truck ordered tow 12500 with out dist hitch. 18500 with or 22.5 with goosneck. Thats how mine was ordered. There is more to it, then engine and gears.
I am not seeing the weight diff though?????
Ussually when we go together, we both bring golfcarts. If I go racing alone I take my 4 wheeler.
His trailer is a 40' gooseneck. living space, and a lift inside.
We both have single rears. ( not duallies)
My truck ordered tow 12500 with out dist hitch. 18500 with or 22.5 with goosneck. Thats how mine was ordered. There is more to it, then engine and gears.
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As an alternate to a larger engine and/or numerically larger rear end gears, how about this offering from Gear Vendors? The installed cost is less than a diesel. Seems like it could either bring a V10 down to V8 mpg or a V8 up to V10 torque. Regardless, the website has a lot of mind numbing information.
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He has an 06. 6.0 l in a F350 crew cab.
I am not seeing the weight diff though?????
Ussually when we go together, we both bring golfcarts. If I go racing alone I take my 4 wheeler.
His trailer is a 40' gooseneck. living space, and a lift inside.
We both have single rears. ( not duallies)
My truck ordered tow 12500 with out dist hitch. 18500 with or 22.5 with goosneck. Thats how mine was ordered. There is more to it, then engine and gears.
I am not seeing the weight diff though?????
Ussually when we go together, we both bring golfcarts. If I go racing alone I take my 4 wheeler.
His trailer is a 40' gooseneck. living space, and a lift inside.
We both have single rears. ( not duallies)
My truck ordered tow 12500 with out dist hitch. 18500 with or 22.5 with goosneck. Thats how mine was ordered. There is more to it, then engine and gears.
According to my Ford specifications book: (F-350 SC SD 5.4l Auto 4X4 SRW 4.10)
Conv Tow: 18k Max GCWR 11,200lbs max tow weight
5th Wheel: Max GCWR 18k 11,200 max tow weight
Ford has gone off engine and gearing as a determining factor for towing capacities for years.
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As an alternate to a larger engine and/or numerically larger rear end gears, how about this offering from Gear Vendors? The installed cost is less than a diesel. Seems like it could either bring a V10 down to V8 mpg or a V8 up to V10 torque. Regardless, the website has a lot of mind numbing information.
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You struck my curiosity. What options did you get to boost your GCWR and trailer weights?
According to my Ford specifications book: (F-350 SC SD 5.4l Auto 4X4 SRW 4.10)
Conv Tow: 18k Max GCWR 11,200lbs max tow weight
5th Wheel: Max GCWR 18k 11,200 max tow weight
Ford has gone off engine and gearing as a determining factor for towing capacities for years.
According to my Ford specifications book: (F-350 SC SD 5.4l Auto 4X4 SRW 4.10)
Conv Tow: 18k Max GCWR 11,200lbs max tow weight
5th Wheel: Max GCWR 18k 11,200 max tow weight
Ford has gone off engine and gearing as a determining factor for towing capacities for years.
I think your Ford spec book is off. Because. Why would any body purchase a 250 when a 150 would tow more???
Your book is saying, threw you... that a 3/4 ton Ford Fseries will only tow 300 lbs more that a Toyota??
When my truck was ordered , It has heavier rear springs, heavier rate front coils. Oil cooler, Tranny cooler. HD> radiator. Not to mention the obviouse brake controller ect... I wanted the 3:73's but I discussed this with a mechanic in the Ford shop, he talked me into the 4:10.
A little known fact when it comes to Ford Trucks. If you order or just buy one with plow package , you get heavier front springs and oil cooler. Not standard on just the tow package. So Order a tow and plow package just dont get the plow.
I think we are off topic by now DKF. Of course we are talking about towing.
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You have to look at the particular truck configuration. I know for a fact my numbers are right, the numbers come straight from Ford.
The 6.8l with 4.30s and the 6.0l with 3.73s or 4.10s are the only trucks (05'up) that GCWR over 20k lbs. The plow package or spring package has nothing to do with the max GCWR of the truck.
FYI the new 09' F-150 (When properly equipped) has a max GCWR of 17100lbs and a max trailer weight of 11,300lbs.
The 6.8l with 4.30s and the 6.0l with 3.73s or 4.10s are the only trucks (05'up) that GCWR over 20k lbs. The plow package or spring package has nothing to do with the max GCWR of the truck.
FYI the new 09' F-150 (When properly equipped) has a max GCWR of 17100lbs and a max trailer weight of 11,300lbs.
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The Ford F series trucks come with different front spring rates. Heaviest is used in the plow package. How this plays into tow package is, When you use a weight distribution style hitch you transfer weight to your front springs. The more you can transfer , the more you can tow.
I think your book needs updateing. What I am telling you anybody resonable couldnt argue. This is right From Ford. Most tow manuals dont factor things in like front spring rate. Why dont they put an oil cooler in the tow package?? My rear springs are 3 inch not 2.5. I have a helper stack to.
I think your book needs updateing. What I am telling you anybody resonable couldnt argue. This is right From Ford. Most tow manuals dont factor things in like front spring rate. Why dont they put an oil cooler in the tow package?? My rear springs are 3 inch not 2.5. I have a helper stack to.
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The Ford F series trucks come with different front spring rates. Heaviest is used in the plow package. How this plays into tow package is, When you use a weight distribution style hitch you transfer weight to your front springs. The more you can transfer , the more you can tow.
I think your book needs updateing. What I am telling you anybody resonable couldnt argue. This is right From Ford. Most tow manuals dont factor things in like front spring rate. Why dont they put an oil cooler in the tow package?? My rear springs are 3 inch not 2.5. I have a helper stack to.
I think your book needs updateing. What I am telling you anybody resonable couldnt argue. This is right From Ford. Most tow manuals dont factor things in like front spring rate. Why dont they put an oil cooler in the tow package?? My rear springs are 3 inch not 2.5. I have a helper stack to.
The snow plow prep package is to handle the weight of the plow on the front. When plowing your constantly plowing snow at slow speeds with minimal air flow so I can see why the extra capacity oil cooler is on it. My 04' F-250 SD has an oil cooler on it and it doesn't have any suspension packages on it. My 250 also has helper springs. A WD hitch has no effect on GCWR to my knowledge.
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How I learned is from the Mechanic at the Ford dealer. He was in his middle 50s. I also know when you order springs from Ford you are asked if it has the Plow package, A/C or what. This is all added weight.
I had hard number written down, for Ford Chrysler and toyota and nissan. Let me look to see if I can find them. Otherwise they are availale from your Ford parts counter
I had hard number written down, for Ford Chrysler and toyota and nissan. Let me look to see if I can find them. Otherwise they are availale from your Ford parts counter
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Thanks for bringing me back to Earth. I seriously doubt fuel savings would pay for this unit in my case.
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How I learned is from the Mechanic at the Ford dealer. He was in his middle 50s. I also know when you order springs from Ford you are asked if it has the Plow package, A/C or what. This is all added weight.
I had hard number written down, for Ford Chrysler and toyota and nissan. Let me look to see if I can find them. Otherwise they are availale from your Ford parts counter
I had hard number written down, for Ford Chrysler and toyota and nissan. Let me look to see if I can find them. Otherwise they are availale from your Ford parts counter
Here are the numbers for the 09' SD which are pretty much exact to the 06'.numbers.Ford Trucks: Super Duty 2009 Cargo Box & Exterior Dimensions. | Ford Vehicles I have the 06' Ford SD catalog in front of me now.
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Ok
The optional equipment and preferred equipment up grade is package .697A
Also I paid and extra $175.00 for the Hitch that will handle 12.5 K
Tow Package was $450.00 on top of the Plow Package.
The Plow Package itself bumped my GVWR to 9200. Thats not including the tow package.
I do have 1 question? You choose to say the guy didnt know what he was talking about, in your last post.
I am simply telling you facts, I thought I was throwing out info not accusing. That is how most men learn and grow, Threw sharing info.
The total upgrade for both packages was $3690.00
The optional equipment and preferred equipment up grade is package .697A
Also I paid and extra $175.00 for the Hitch that will handle 12.5 K
Tow Package was $450.00 on top of the Plow Package.
The Plow Package itself bumped my GVWR to 9200. Thats not including the tow package.
I do have 1 question? You choose to say the guy didnt know what he was talking about, in your last post.
I am simply telling you facts, I thought I was throwing out info not accusing. That is how most men learn and grow, Threw sharing info.
The total upgrade for both packages was $3690.00