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this just makes me sick that ol uncle would try to pull this

 

Yep saw it and already sent my Email about this issue. I think it shows how disconnected and stupid these people are

 

I got news for congress their is not a modern full size truck on the road today that gets any better fuel milage than my 38 year old ford. An why would i want to scrap a truck that has lived this long and is still going strong. Not any newer truck will be around that long, to much plastic to much wiring and they are made of aluminum foil

 

And that say's it all right there. Their mindset is "Well, if I don't care about it, then no one else must either". These politicians are clueless.

 

There are lots of politicians, but very few leaders...

 

The thing that concerns me is the fact that in all likelihood this crap will be passed and historic and rare vehicles will be turned in for that new Tundra or Nissan titan or some other cookie cutter special and another survivor will be sacrificed for what essentially ammounts to nothing.....cause I doubt even a million emails will deter them from going ahead with this ignorant misguided B.S.

 

Man just think of the money I can get. All I have to do is travel around with my tow truck and offer to haul away the POS that are cluttering up the countryside. I then turn them in under the Cash for Clunker Program. Honestly I am opposed to the program and have used the link to send my $.02. I will also send the same to my Congressman and Senator.

 

Thanks for email link sent off an email to Nancy.Long and short this is another issue that just effects middle class because we cant afford new sports cars or rather fix up old iron.

 

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I already sent a letter too.

 

I will be the devil's advocate on this one.

First- I agree that many modern trucks get only a little better mileage than my '70. While that is true, their pollution output is much less than mine due to fuel injection burning the fuel more efficiently as well as other improvements. My truck doesn't have a catalytic converter.

Second- Let's be honest- which is safer? My '70 with manual drum brakes, manual steering, no air bags, no anti-lock brakes, or a modern truck?

Third- IF there is a demand for parts for restoration, there will be a market for them. This offer will not tempt me to turn in my '70. If somebody wants to restore something, they will.

Fourth- A car rusting out in a field is not doing anything but being an eye-sore. Should we have to put up with that so I can maybe one day go out there to get a throttle linkage? Many people don't junk their autos because they owe too much back fees or it would cost too much to get them towed and taken care of.

Fifth- If it becomes a law, it will not force you to turn in your old car or truck.

My argument against it is that it will not spur on new car purchases. If I had an '87 Escort to turn in, I doubt I would go out and buy a new Focus. I would probably get an '02 Corolla.

 

i agree with Karl, i see no reason to be upset about this or try to stop it. but i also dont see it getting new cars sold, and i would guess it is a wast of money and i could see saying dont do it because it wont work or it will cost more then it is worth, but i just cant see saying no to it because they want to crush old cars. there are sooooo many cars that get crushed every day, we are not talking about gems here they are cars that no one would want to fix up, or would cost to much to fix. i dont see this as the government trying to get our old cars from us.

 

Good points there fastmover. With the rise in scrap prices, im sure juny yards, will be dragging their on the yard longest vehicles to the scrap man.
Just think, in 20 years, there wont be any old cars to restore, they are all plastic and thin metal.

 

It's been all over the net and IMO is much ado about nothing..... Recycling is good, the metal gained from the recycling going to China isn't probably a real good idea.....

It's an entirely voluntary program and as such means little to the restoration and Hot Rodding crowd... Some seem to have the idea that all the old iron should be left sitting around just in case they should someday want the car.... If one is concerned about a potential project getting crushed, get on the search and go by it, that's what the rest of us have done.....

A few of the local yards will sell you anything in the "crusher line" for what the value of the metal is when crushed and let you "save" it from the crusher.... They get very few takers and very little interest in the program.... I used to try to sell some of my "potential projects" and the average tire kicker will offer about half of what the salvage price is, then want free delivery..... I gave that up. I keep the one's I want, list the other's in a local ad, Craig's list, etc. and if no results they go for recycling next time the price of scrap gets crazy again.....

 

Sounds to me like this is more of a "green movement" to get the gas guzzlers out of circulation. Who says the gov couldn't mandate a mandatory law to take them off of the road. These greenies get some wacky ideas in their pea brains. Recycled metal is virtually worthless right now. Have you seen what they pay for it now? 6 mo ago #1 copper was in the 3+ dollar range per lb. Now it is WAY under a dollar. Same for all metals, I took some #1 aluminum in a mo ago. .25 lb, compared to $2.00+_a half yr ago.

 

To you neahsayers, would you be willing to admitt that there is a lot of POSes out there on the roads that need to be scrapped. I have seen plenty of Chrysler K cars, Chevy Chevettes and Ford Escorts that have no business being on the road. And yet you would prefer to see the cloud of half-burnt oil than for the govt to be proactive about something. If you are worried about someone scrapping a '67 Mustang then create your own incentive plan by giving them cash for it. When the day comes that they attack our prized antique (classic) vehicles then throw up the red flags. Otherwise, the more we cry wolf about things that don't affect us the more we fall on deaf ear when it really does matter.