You can do more with urea then that.

 

Do tell...

 

1947(or round there I believe) it was apart of the mixture of ammonia nitrate(commonly known as a type of fertilizer, which you mentioned earlier) that was involved in the Texas City, Texas ship explosion. So in combination of other things it can do a tad more then just either kill grass or grow it, in this case a big boom.

Now urea in ammonia nitrate is in quite small portions(as you mentioned in diluted state grows grass), however urea is in there and it is used in fertilizer even if it isn't the main ingrediant in the fertilizer(there is fertilizer whose main ingrediant is urea, but not in the case of what I'm talking about, it was a smaller percentage, but nonetheless still there) and fertilizer makes good home made bombs when you know how to do it. Of course, anybody with an internet connection can figure that out(rather or not they live through it is another story).

I can tell you one more use for urea(most don't know that's actually present during and after this type of activity), but it's really not something that should be discussed in an open forum.

 

I figured this would be your answer. You are correct with everything you say, including the activity you elude to.

The urea that will be used by 2010 diesels is an aqueous solution that is 67.5% water. Given this fact, along with the other fact that it is missing the key ingredient ammonia nitrate, it would be next to impossible to create any type of backyard IED unless someone had extreme time on their hands to wait for the water to evaporate and then mix the left-over powder with the other ingredients.

This isn't to say some knot-head wouldn't try it.

 

Your right about it taking time, but I would imagine that there are quite a few people with time and who knows how they are thinking with a crappy economy and the holidays(particularly the post-christmas blues).

Unfortunately, it's always someone like that that has to ruin things for other people(not necessarily this urea business, but other things).

 

Also, backyard chemists have the way's, and means to get the water out rather quickly.

I'm just saying, there could be a problem. If this compound is available at every filling station in the country.

 

Problem is it is already easier and more user friendly available at your local co-op, so it really matters little about rather it is available at filling stations. In fact, you can get more without
raising suspicion at the co-op.

 

The average Joe can't just walk in and buy it from the Co-op anymore.

 

I do it about twice a year get fertilizer. I just go in and order 2250 lbs of the stuff(which isn't cheap) in the spring and in the fall. I don't show them any special papers at all. Now this might be different state from state, I don't know, but here you don't have to do anything special.

 

That's been my experience as well. They do keep records of who buys what and how much.

 

Well, that's true. My name is in the system, but I don't have any special ag. papers or anything. Hell I don't even have an ag. exemption for tax purposes(it's quite a bit harder to get and to maintain for horse business to get ag. exemption, although I could do it, it's just not worth the hassle).

 

They KNOW who's buying it. And Who has bought it in the past.
Don't think that they don't

If I went in and ordered a couple of tons, they'd want to know where I was putting it. With No previous history of Me using it, They'd be checking Me out.

 

First off, if you were intending the fertilizer to be used other then directed, I would hope you would be smarter then buying from one store a huge amount, besides that, you can't fit a couple of tons of fertilizer without a trailer(I know, I get seed and fertilizer on one trailer load and it comes out to be about 3 tons and that's with a 16 footer filled from neck to rear) at max an 8 foot truck bed would fit a ton. That does raise a lot of suspicion. However, the average joe can order a bag or two here or there, walk in and out and they really won't bat an eyelash. Pay in cash and there you go. Your right, large orders does raise a red flag, but you don't have to buy large orders. The average joe can go into co-op and buy ammonia nitrate without a hassle contrary to your other quote here:


First off, the average joe can go into co-op here and get ammonia nitrate. There isn't a wait period, there isn't special papers that one needs to proof what their intended use is for it, atleast not in the state that I'm from, or where I live now.

As to rather or not they can check up on it, it all depends on how the transaction is done. However, them being able to check up on you after the fact is very different from what you said in the second quote. The second quote has different implications in it(rather you intended them to be there or not, they are there) then the first quote.


We aren't talking about special papers that someone needs to get in order to purchase this stuff. Just buy a bag or two here or there. It's when you do the big orders that raise suspicions and that's when you need a history, but the average joe can still do it with small orders. Do it here or there at different co-ops, always pay in cash for a bag or two and they won't catch onto you as easily as they would with the large orders. Anybody can do this with very little effort here.