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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 06:55 AM
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So now here's the jist of it-I have a 2v400 that I have cleveland heads on.They have been removed to go onto a 289.I have been told this is a hotrod setup.Don't know,just been told,but couldn't pass up the price either way.Now,once this setup is on(providing it will go on),will it take an edel 4v intake?Its going into a '63 Falcon,so I'm going with the smaller block so that I won't have to cut out the shock towers,also 289 is a falcon style engine,but not until '65.I know ,this is Ford TRUCK enthusiast,but you guys know your beans.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 08:16 AM
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...460 has a bore spacing of 4.90 inches. The 351M/400 (in fact all small block ford V8's maybe except for the modulars) have a bore spacing of 4.63 inches.
The Y-blocks/Windsors/335 Series have a bore spacing of 4.38" not 4.63"
The FE/FT have a bore spacing of 4.63"
The Lincoln Y-block/385 series have a bore spacing of 4.90"
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 08:17 AM
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Had you explained all this in your original post, we would have gotten to your answer much sooner. Posting car questions here doesn't seem to bother anyone. People, including myself, come here with their questions because the expertise is here and they are a good and cooperative bunch of guys.

Yes, Cleveland heads will bolt on a Windsor series (289 type) block. This will require several other EXPEN$IVE changes though. To begin with you will have to use Boss 302 pistons because of the staggered valves. Using 289 pistons will not put valve reliefs in the correct location. The Boss 302 pistons are forged and expen$ive.

It will also require a Boss 302 intake manifold which will have ports too big for Cleveland 2V heads. If you can find $ome Cleveland 4V head$, they will work with the B$$302 intake manifold.

The Cleveland 2V heads that you have can be made to work on a 289 with Bo$$302 pistons with the use of a special Clevor manifold that used to be made by an outfit in Fort Smith, Arkansas. It seems like I read recently that Edelbrock now make$ the Clevor manifold.

This will be an EXPEN$IVE undertaking. If you are on a budget there are many other component combinations that will allow you to build a high horsepower small Ford. When the Cleveland engine came out and for several years thereafter, there weren't any really good performing heads for a Windsor engine. Today there are oodles and gobs of high flowing, high performance heads for the small Fords.

BTW, there are probably some folks that frequent this forum that would be interested in your 400 lower end components. Maybe that would free up some cash for your small motor project.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 08:24 AM
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So now here's the jist of it-I have a 2v400 that I have cleveland heads on.They have been removed to go onto a 289.I have been told this is a hotrod setup.Don't know,just been told,but couldn't pass up the price either way.Now,once this setup is on(providing it will go on),will it take an edel 4v intake?Its going into a '63 Falcon,so I'm going with the smaller block so that I won't have to cut out the shock towers,also 289 is a falcon style engine,but not until '65.I know ,this is Ford TRUCK enthusiast,but you guys know your beans.
You can do this BUT you have to modify the water jacket outlet location on the heads to match the intake water jackets. Also, you would need to buy one of the NEW Edelbrock E-BOSS Performer RPM intakes as a Windsor intake will not work. The flow quality on the late smog 351M/400 heads isn't worth the expense of swapping them onto a 289. Pick up a good set of GT40 heads for your current intake and save yourself the $300+ that you will need to spend on the E-BOSS intake.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 08:40 AM
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yes,Edelbrock does make that style intake.Its called the E-Boss 302,and also 351.In light of this info,know anyone interested in my lower end and a cadt 2v intake and a aluminum edel 4v performer?
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 10:23 AM
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4.38/4.63

Duh . I knew that, dont know what I was thinking! Must have had both my glass eyes on the table. I reserve the right to say stoopid things

I really do agree with the question of putting C style heads on the W small block. There are just too many excellent flowing W aluminum heads and they outflow and have much better IE balance than C's. Not to mention (as pointed out already) the cost an hassle of the parts.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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D5AE heads are 75-80 351M/400 heads. 78.4 cc and 2.04/1.66 valves.
The last few letters are indicate factory design changes
 
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 08:27 PM
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yes,Edelbrock does make that style intake.Its called the E-Boss 302,and also 351.In light of this info,know anyone interested in my lower end and a cadt 2v intake and a aluminum edel 4v performer?
Sorry,cast not cadt.In light of things,looks like the whole engine is going,minus distributor as it got damaged being moved
 
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 08:05 AM
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How did it get damaged? Unless it was dropped from the 20th story, it's difficult to imagine how it could have been hurt in shipping. Sort of like damaging an anvil.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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I don't know how it got damaged,didn't even notice until I got it home.The base of the dizzy's cracked around the neck tho.When I went to take it out I noticed.
 
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 02:41 PM
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That's no damage to the parts that count. The distributors are a dime a dozen in the junk yards or even rebuilt.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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I have posted pics of the heads in my gallery.I was under the impression that from 1975 and up the 351/400 was issued with cleveland heads.The entire setup,engine,heads so on is for sale in classifieds.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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The 351C-2V heads and the 351M/400 heads are essentially the same. A few cc's difference is advertised, but I have seen different combustion chamber profiles on all of these heads.
 
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