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Not sure heard they cant make any money at it.It cost them to much to meet EPA with all the changes that were made from good to bad.Kind of a mechanics night mare on the turbo side. I dont think they were lazy at it.They just drove up the price to high for drivers to own.Reliabilty hurt the newer Acerts.
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It's better for everyone else, International and detroit already have their motors passing emissions testing. They get to split the profits between less people, it's a win for them and they will make a profit. Maybe a good profit.
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Cat got really burned on the 03 emissions deal having to pay the IIRC $2000 per engine fine levied by the epa until they could get the engines passed. I heard (but can't verify) that Cat paid over $5million in fines over that deal, and it still cost them another $60 million to get the engine past epa and that was only good for 4yrs before the DPF's were required adn it was going to cost them another $100 mil and would only be good for 3yrs plus all the trouble everyone else was having with getting the DPR or 07 emissions engines to run Cat just said the heck with it and stayed in the market they have made a name for themselves in, the offroad equipment.
I also heard but can't verify (I deliver to Peoria IL everyday so since that is hometown to cat I hear some of the stories over the radio and in the McDonalds ) that they played with an 07 emissions engine and based on what they have for on road stuff, they were getting 2-3mpg, and only able to get 80% of the power. so knowing that would never fly with the on-road stuff and the cost of getting it past epa just decided it wasn't worth the hassle, but that is second or tenth place hearsay info so take it for what it's worth.
I also heard but can't verify (I deliver to Peoria IL everyday so since that is hometown to cat I hear some of the stories over the radio and in the McDonalds ) that they played with an 07 emissions engine and based on what they have for on road stuff, they were getting 2-3mpg, and only able to get 80% of the power. so knowing that would never fly with the on-road stuff and the cost of getting it past epa just decided it wasn't worth the hassle, but that is second or tenth place hearsay info so take it for what it's worth.
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The guy from Cat that came to my school, said the amount of money/units Cat makes from truck engines is like 1% or 2% of what their total is compared to/with the heavy equipment. They are going to be completely heavy equipment only now after 2010 if I remember right. But still obviously make parts for the truck engines. They just weren't making money in the trucking industry. Plus is harder to meet emissions on over the road trucks than in tractors most likely.
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YEA Thats what i said EPA thing if you want to believe that.Cat tryed the EGR thing 10 years or so ago never did work out for them.Has anyone one heard of the new light mid truck they are building?
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You should post your question over in the General Auto forum or explorer forum. Not in the Diesel forum. So repost in one of those, & welcome.
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Yeah my school does the Skills USA stuff. When I was in the auto program my buddies wanted me to do that but I didnt. Ya know this week I found that the school I am going to is replacing the "Modern Diesel" book we have been using after I graduate, DAMNIT!! lol My suggestion, if you want to learn everything there is and retain it, that won't happen because the brain can only handle so much. Most of retaining info amounts to about 10% that is taught and the other 90% is just knowing where to find it. I have heard plus' & minus' of Wyotech & UTI. I think they just get you into the company's door easier. If I were you I would learn another field for something to fall back onto if needed. But The heavy diesel will be around a long time. especially in trains. But just because the "BIG" schools seem so great alot of the time they don't teach ya much (depending on who you are). Example ASEP for GM, they dont let you work on old, rusty, dirty stuff. you mainly do warranty. Now if you were to take a general automotive diploma/degree whichever. You will be working on all makes, rusty, dirty, and learn how to break loose, fix, and diagnose problems that are ocurring because of the worn out parts. That is where you get your knowledge.I don't know if I am going to do the Diesel competition at the Skills comp in the spring. I am not a person to work the best I can under pressure on something I need to be precise on. But if I feel that I am comfortable enough I will try. And if you noticed on your 3406E Cat kept the old in-block cam area the same, just moving the cam to the cylinder head. Are you strictly Diesel driven?? or are you into automotive also?
i think the skills usa is a great thing its really fun and to tell ya the truth there isnt that much pressure.
ill give you an example there is a water truck with cat ET hooked up to it and it will be showing a code already on the screen. (ex.) water temp sensor voltage high.
and you have to find the problem and tell them why the voltage is high. and you will have like 20 min to do that.
so its pretty simple stuff.
and on the cat i thought that was cool they just utilized the same block so they could save some money. i think it was a great idea!
and i am kind of glad internatonal is taking over cat on highway
because i love internatonal and now they have some beefy engines!!!!!!
f*** yea
as for the schooling im not sure what i am going to do because i love going to school i love learning. with diesel mechanics its like my brain is a magnet it just sticks in there and will not leave.
i mean i can tell you that the idle validation Cignal wire on a dt466e is located in pin hole 27 on the ecm.
i just retain stuff like that
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The guy from Cat that came to my school, said the amount of money/units Cat makes from truck engines is like 1% or 2% of what their total is compared to/with the heavy equipment. They are going to be completely heavy equipment only now after 2010 if I remember right. But still obviously make parts for the truck engines. They just weren't making money in the trucking industry. Plus is harder to meet emissions on over the road trucks than in tractors most likely.