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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 10:26 PM
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Unhappy Power Steering Woes....HALP!

Ok lets me start off by saying Yes ive used the search button. Ive read MOST of the threads containing others power steering problems.

Was on leave for 2 weeks, 1 week into driving the truck i started to hear the powersteering pump making noise. Checked fluid lvl and condition of the fluid. All looked good, read a few threads stating that if you flush the system with new tranny fluid it'll go back to the way it was. Tried that didnt work so i figured the larger tires had taken its toll on it so i bought a reman at napa. Installed it, flushed the old(new) fluid out again and replaced with fresh tranny fluid. This pump made ALOT of noise, thinking there was air it in i flushed it again, but still made same noise. Also read that if you crook the wheel to the left when parked and let it sit over night and vis-versa in a couple days it will quite down...nope. Then started noticing it leaking from somewhere. Checked the hoses, hoses were good, somewhere behind the IC pipe it was coming out but couldnt find it for the life of me. Wouldnt leak sitting there(turning wheel side to side, and pushing on the brake) would only leak after a good drive. The fitting on the side of the pump wasnt wet at all so i know the seal is good in there. Also checked the dipstick/cap and the seal is nice and tight there. Checked the other two hoses going to the pump and replaced those crappy ford hose clamps with REAL hose clamps and there on there nice and tight. But still leaked....from somewhere.

So I figured maybe...just maybe i got a bad remaned pump from napa. Took it back got another one and installed, again flushed with new fluid. This one WASNT so loud but could still be heard, and I thought ok..i did get a bad remaned pump. Since the noise was still there, i flushed yet again, tried the crookin the wheel thing but still the noise is there. Even when i press on the pedal lightly it can be heard. Also before i changed pump(original pump)when I would hit the brakes the pedal would feel like it hit a soft wall...could still push it past that wall but needed a hole lota convincing. But now my pedal is "soft" and no more "wall". Since this one was quiter I figured it just needed to be broke in, so i took the 1110 mile trip down to TX without it leaking a drop. Now ive been here for a good 3 weeks and it now just starting to leak again, not any puddles yet but can see fluid forming a drip on the bottom of the pump. Hoses are still tight, fluid is still good. Will have to tear the IC pipe outa there 2morrow to confirm anything.

Ive throw two pumps and ahole lota fluid at it and still got leaking and noise, not to mention performance issues with it(idling, not moving she dosnt wanna turn the wheels)


Sorry for the long read~I welcome ANY suggestions as to what some have done to fix theirs 1st hand. Thanks and sorry for the long read~

I dont got very many tools and Ill have to buy another pully puller to change it out if i have to again. I know where advanced auto and napa are around Killeen TX but thats it~
 
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 10:38 PM
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You mention a little about the brakes, but not enough...

What kinda shape are they in, not pads, rotors and calipers. But master cylinderish, what kinda shape is your slave cylinder in... all these are connected.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 10:40 PM
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How do i go about checking the master cylinder? Shes got fluid, looks and smells like brake fluid.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2008 | 11:13 PM
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Just went out and checked with a flashlight. There are no leaks, nor any sights of outer physical damage or worn spots on it.

The best way i can describe it is, i can "feel" the power steering pump noise in the pedal when I push on it...if that makes any sense.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 08:46 AM
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Did you use synthetic fluid? I (think) have read here that others have quiteted(sic) the PS pump down by using synthetic.

At least this will bump you back to the top.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 09:44 AM
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I wonder if the hydroboost unit has failed internally and the pump has to work extra hard to make up for it. Hence the noise and the wierd pedal behavior.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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Dan that sounds possible.....does anyone know how to check/test the hydroboost portion of the system?

I did not use synthetic....i will try that next.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2008 | 10:18 PM
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suscribing
 
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 07:45 AM
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Copied and pasted this from a repair manual.


Brake Booster
  1. With the transmission in NEUTRAL and the engine stopped, apply the brakes several times to exhaust the vacuum in the vacuum boost system or the pressure in the Hydro-Boost system.
  1. Hold the brake pedal in the applied position.
  1. Start the engine.
  1. If the power brake system is functioning properly, the brake pedal can be felt to move downward after the engine starts.
  1. With a vacuum type power brake booster, if engine vacuum is available to the power brake booster and no power assist is felt, replace the power brake booster and retest the system.
If power steering pump pressure is available to the Hydro-Boost power brake booster and no power assist is felt, replace the Hydro-Boost power brake booster and retest the system.
If power steering pump pressure is not available at the Hydro-Boost power brake booster, check the power steering pump pressure and flow; refer to Section 211-00 .
On a Hydro-Max booster system, if power is available at the electric pump and no power assist is felt, replace the Hydro-Max booster assembly and retest the system.
If power is not available at the electric pump, correct the electrical concern and retest the system.
Accumulator, Hydro-Boost Only
  1. Start and run the engine.
  1. Stop the engine.
  1. Apply the brakes. The accumulator in the Hydro-Boost power brake booster should retain enough pressure for at least two power assisted brake operations. If no power assist is felt, replace the Hydro-Boost power brake booster and retest the system.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 07:50 AM
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And this is for testing the power steering.


Pump Flow and Pressure Test
WARNING: Do not touch the flowmeter during the test procedure, or severe burns and serious injury may occur.
  1. CAUTION: Make sure that the connection point will not interfere with any of the engine accessory drive components or drive belts.
    Install the Power Steering Analyzer at the high pressure port of the power steering pump. Make sure the Power Steering Analyzer gate valve is fully open.
    • On some vehicles, the power steering pump high pressure port is inaccessible and the Power Steering Analyzer should then be installed either at the steering gear or at a point in the high pressure line between the power steering pump and the steering gear.
  2. Place a Dial Thermometer in the power steering oil reservoir.
  3. Check the power steering fluid level. If necessary, add power steering fluid.
    • Use Motorcraft MERCON® Multi-Purpose ATF XT-2-QDX or MERCON® equivalent.
  4. Install a digital tachometer.
  5. CAUTION: Do not hold the steering wheel against the stops for more than three to five seconds at a time. Damage to the power steering pump will occur.
    Start the engine. Place the transmission in neutral. Set the parking brake. Raise the power steering fluid temperature to 74-80°C (165-175°F) by rotating the steering wheel fully to the left and right several times.
  6. Set the engine speed to 1500 rpm. Record the flow rate and pressure readings.
    • If the flow rate is below the flow rate specification, the power steering pump may require replacement. Continue with the test procedure.
    • If the pressure reading is above the maximum pressure specification, then check power steering hoses for kinks and restrictions.
  7. Partially close the gate valve to obtain 750 psi. Set the engine speed at idle. Record the flow rate.
    • If the flow is less than the specified flow rate, then replace the power steering pump.
    • CAUTION: Do not allow the gate valve to remain closed for more than 5 seconds.
  8. Completely close and partially open the gate valve 3 times. Record the pressure relief valve actuation pressure reading.
    • If the pressure does not meet the relief pressure specification, then replace the power steering pump.
  9. Set engine speed to 1500 rpm. Record the flow rate.
    • If the flow rate varies more than 3.785 liters/minute (1 gallon/minute) from the initial flow rate reading, then replace the power steering pump.
  10. CAUTION: Do not hold the steering wheel against the stops for more than three to five seconds at a time. Damage to the power steering pump will occur.
    Set the engine speed at idle. Turn (or have an assistant turn) the steering wheel to the left and right stops. Record flow rate and pressure readings at the stops.
    • The pressure reading at both stops should be nearly the same as the maximum pump relief pressure.
    • The flow rate should drop below 1.9 liters/minute (0.5 gallons/minute).
    • If the pressure does not reach the maximum pump relief pressure or the flow rate does not drop below the specified value, excessive internal leakage is occurring. Repair or replace the steering gear as necessary; for additional information, refer to Section 211-02 .
  11. Turn (or have an assistant turn) the steering wheel slightly in both directions and release quickly while watching the pressure gauge.
    • The pressure reading should move from the normal back pressure reading and snap back as the steering wheel is released.
    • If the pressure returns slowly or sticks, the rotary valve in the steering gear is sticking or the steering column is binding. Check the steering column and linkages before servicing the steering gear.
Steering Gear Valve
  1. With the vehicle in motion, place the transmission in NEUTRAL and turn the engine OFF.
    • If the vehicle does not pull with the engine OFF, repair or replace the steering gear; for additional information, refer to Section 211-02 .
  1. If the vehicle pulls with the engine OFF, cross-switch the front wheels.
    • If the vehicle pulls to the opposite side, cross-switch the front and rear wheels on the same side.
  1. If the vehicle pull direction does not change, check the front suspension components, wheel alignment and frame alignment; for additional information, refer to Section 204-00 or an appropriate frame dimensions manual.
 
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