UHH Cats
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"Actually" you're "Really" both "Wrong" IMHO.
These FORDs use both a single-bed catalytic converter and a 3-way catalytic converter. The single-bed CC is 1st in the exhaust stream & uses rare metal catalysts to 'convert' most of the HC & CO. This allows the 3-way CC behind it to work much more efficiently at reducing NOx. A 2nd CC also greatly expands the capacity to remove excessive HC & CO during cold start & full load. The "3" refers to the additional rare metal catalysts needed to 'convert' NOx, a hard job, in part b/c N is ~78% of air.
FORD takes cats very seriously & gets high grades for CC design & quality. In the dubious pursuit of "bark a lil louder" it would be a pity to destroy a working CC & cut up the expensive head pipe assembly they're integral parts of.
FORD takes cats very seriously & gets high grades for CC design & quality. In the dubious pursuit of "bark a lil louder" it would be a pity to destroy a working CC & cut up the expensive head pipe assembly they're integral parts of.
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Scrap metal values have declined, but even junk/banged up/clogged cats have impressive recycle value. The greedy local recycler was paying between $50-$100 each 2 weeks ago. I presume you've heard the stories about the phenomenal growth in thefts of CC's off of tall SUVs?
However, these facts combine: cats are required by law, new OEM cats are very expensive & there's a law against junkyards selling used cats - to make good used cats can have even more value. When someone is faced w/needing cats the choices range from; shell out big bucks & do it right, to, go the el cheapo route & have someone slap on cheezy, overpriced 'universal fit' cats. I'd much sooner find good used, probably for less. Being able to & ascertain if your cats are good & identify their application would greatly enhance your selling.
I sold a used '87 SAAB cat for $250 recently. They're flanged, so they bolt on/off & are straight thru, so you can see the honeycomb is good. This allowed me to easily experience w/cat & w/o cat a number of times on several different SAAB 900's, including 8V & 16V Turbos. Still have the 16V 'test pipe' out in the shop & still greatly prefer using cats.
I sold a used '87 SAAB cat for $250 recently. They're flanged, so they bolt on/off & are straight thru, so you can see the honeycomb is good. This allowed me to easily experience w/cat & w/o cat a number of times on several different SAAB 900's, including 8V & 16V Turbos. Still have the 16V 'test pipe' out in the shop & still greatly prefer using cats.
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I still recall when I used to get attacked for posting the valid reasons not to remove cats. Nice to see converts placing the dubious pursuit of sound into perspective & enthusiastically carrying water for performance, emissions, value & perhaps even the Federal Clean Air law that set penalties for removing cats.
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Different strokes for different folks. I used to like all that noise too when I was younger, now I enjoy low end torque and decent MPG's.
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Well, let me ask...how do you know? Youve ever done it? Ever known anyone whos done it? I highly doubt it. Your just a typical guy on here who thinks they know what they are talkin about cuz you have a friend of a friend of a friend whos brother did it. My truck does NOT crack, pop, or sound bad. I get compliments everywhere I go. And, believe it or not, I actually have stood outside my truck when other people (my GF everyday ) drive it, (imagine that) and I about nut my pants when I hear it.
I'm sorry I like a good, healthy, mean sounding truck. Especially when Its mine.
And decent MPG's huh? I think 15-16 is pretty damn good with 35's with stock gears and a 5.4, dont you?? Wanna talk about low end torque? I guarantee my truck would smoke the **** out of yous any day of the week. Keep your "chainsaw" comments to yourself until you actually have some knowledge (or proof) about what your talking about.
Let me hear a truck that sound like a "badly tuned chainsaw".
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I mean, Let me hear a Ford that sounds like a "badly tuned chainsaw". Hold on, there isnt one.... I will tell you though, take a s hitty and cut the cats and youve got a chainsaw. I have not heard a ford that has sounded bad yet. Cats or not.
I'm sorry I like a good, healthy, mean sounding truck. Especially when Its mine.And decent MPG's huh? I think 15-16 is pretty damn good with 35's with stock gears and a 5.4, dont you?? Wanna talk about low end torque? I guarantee my truck would smoke the **** out of yous any day of the week. Keep your "chainsaw" comments to yourself until you actually have some knowledge (or proof) about what your talking about.
Let me hear a truck that sound like a "badly tuned chainsaw".
EDIT----
I mean, Let me hear a Ford that sounds like a "badly tuned chainsaw". Hold on, there isnt one.... I will tell you though, take a s hitty and cut the cats and youve got a chainsaw. I have not heard a ford that has sounded bad yet. Cats or not.
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One which I respectfully disagree with you on too
(IMO high flow cats do the same thing as removing the cats, only removing the cats is obviously harder on the enviroment)
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I still recall when I used to get attacked for posting the valid reasons not to remove cats. Nice to see converts placing the dubious pursuit of sound into perspective & enthusiastically carrying water for performance, emissions, value & perhaps even the Federal Clean Air law that set penalties for removing cats.
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I was basing it more on the interior looks, and restrictive-ness (sp?) of the cat converter, rather than the elements it's made of. Any one cat under these trucks are just as restrictive (flow and sound) as the other three.
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I met someone who was interested on Saturday for a test-drive. We talked about it and traded stories and whatnot. I told him all the good and bad...
He Emailed me yesterday wanting to know a final price.
He has a bunch of land in a neighboring county that he is building a hunting cabin on. Basically he wants a truck to haul materials, travel the trails he's cutting in the land, and other general truck duties.
So hopefully this will go through, because I really need the money for my Bronco, a welder, bike payments, and the 'Yota
He Emailed me yesterday wanting to know a final price.
He has a bunch of land in a neighboring county that he is building a hunting cabin on. Basically he wants a truck to haul materials, travel the trails he's cutting in the land, and other general truck duties.
So hopefully this will go through, because I really need the money for my Bronco, a welder, bike payments, and the 'Yota
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Well, let me ask...how do you know? Youve ever done it? Ever known anyone whos done it? I highly doubt it. Your just a typical guy on here who thinks they know what they are talkin about cuz you have a friend of a friend of a friend whos brother did it. My truck does NOT crack, pop, or sound bad. I get compliments everywhere I go. And, believe it or not, I actually have stood outside my truck when other people (my GF everyday ) drive it, (imagine that) and I about nut my pants when I hear it. I'm sorry I like a good, healthy, mean sounding truck. Especially when Its mine.
And decent MPG's huh? I think 15-16 is pretty damn good with 35's with stock gears and a 5.4, dont you?? Wanna talk about low end torque? I guarantee my truck would smoke the **** out of yous any day of the week. Keep your "chainsaw" comments to yourself until you actually have some knowledge (or proof) about what your talking about.
Let me hear a truck that sound like a "badly tuned chainsaw".
EDIT----
I mean, Let me hear a Ford that sounds like a "badly tuned chainsaw". Hold on, there isnt one.... I will tell you though, take a s hitty and cut the cats and youve got a chainsaw. I have not heard a ford that has sounded bad yet. Cats or not.
I'm sorry I like a good, healthy, mean sounding truck. Especially when Its mine.And decent MPG's huh? I think 15-16 is pretty damn good with 35's with stock gears and a 5.4, dont you?? Wanna talk about low end torque? I guarantee my truck would smoke the **** out of yous any day of the week. Keep your "chainsaw" comments to yourself until you actually have some knowledge (or proof) about what your talking about.
Let me hear a truck that sound like a "badly tuned chainsaw".
EDIT----
I mean, Let me hear a Ford that sounds like a "badly tuned chainsaw". Hold on, there isnt one.... I will tell you though, take a s hitty and cut the cats and youve got a chainsaw. I have not heard a ford that has sounded bad yet. Cats or not.
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Well, let me ask...how do you know? Youve ever done it? Ever known anyone whos done it? I highly doubt it. Your just a typical guy on here who thinks they know what they are talkin about cuz you have a friend of a friend of a friend whos brother did it. My truck does NOT crack, pop, or sound bad. I get compliments everywhere I go. And, believe it or not, I actually have stood outside my truck when other people (my GF everyday ) drive it, (imagine that) and I about nut my pants when I hear it. I'm sorry I like a good, healthy, mean sounding truck. Especially when Its mine.
And decent MPG's huh? I think 15-16 is pretty damn good with 35's with stock gears and a 5.4, dont you?? Wanna talk about low end torque? I guarantee my truck would smoke the **** out of yous any day of the week. Keep your "chainsaw" comments to yourself until you actually have some knowledge (or proof) about what your talking about.
Let me hear a truck that sound like a "badly tuned chainsaw".
EDIT----
I mean, Let me hear a Ford that sounds like a "badly tuned chainsaw". Hold on, there isnt one.... I will tell you though, take a s hitty and cut the cats and youve got a chainsaw. I have not heard a ford that has sounded bad yet. Cats or not.
I'm sorry I like a good, healthy, mean sounding truck. Especially when Its mine.And decent MPG's huh? I think 15-16 is pretty damn good with 35's with stock gears and a 5.4, dont you?? Wanna talk about low end torque? I guarantee my truck would smoke the **** out of yous any day of the week. Keep your "chainsaw" comments to yourself until you actually have some knowledge (or proof) about what your talking about.
Let me hear a truck that sound like a "badly tuned chainsaw".
EDIT----
I mean, Let me hear a Ford that sounds like a "badly tuned chainsaw". Hold on, there isnt one.... I will tell you though, take a s hitty and cut the cats and youve got a chainsaw. I have not heard a ford that has sounded bad yet. Cats or not.
I agree - I haven't done it on my truck but with only 2 cats and a Dynomax Super Turbo muffler, I wouldn't want to be any louder anyways. I have done it to Ford cars in the past and did not like the results. Maybe the Modular does sound good with no cats? ...
BUT... If you are implying that your truck would beat mine in a race with all that extra rotating mass, less gear and miracle power adder of a throttle body spacer... could beat my 5.4 with 3.73's, with the intake silencer removed, Diablosport tuner, and the exhaust mentioned above.... Then you must have some other REAL power adder or you are simply delusional.
I will restate though as to not go too far off topic - it is my OPINION that the cats should be left in place unless they are damaged. If they become damaged then they should be replaced with a stock or equivalent cat. I believe that it makes it easier to sell down the road anyways especially if your state does emmision testing or a visual for cats. Unless it is solely an offroad/race vehicle.
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Whalebird, not " every harley guy" takes the mufflers off of their bike, alot of them have the Factory system in place. My 79 xlch1000 has baffled drag pipes on it. I like it that way because I'm hoping that the sound will alert the drivers around me that I am there in
their midst and not do something Stupid that will cause me injury. Unfortunately too many people behind the wheel have no clue as to what is going on around them. That said, I do agree that there is no performance gianto be had by removing the cats from a vehicle. Run a straight pipe if you need that much sound. My wife has an 86 mustang gt
with Thrush Turbo mufflers on it. Plenty loud inside the car, but nice and throaty without
being excessively loud outside. dan.
their midst and not do something Stupid that will cause me injury. Unfortunately too many people behind the wheel have no clue as to what is going on around them. That said, I do agree that there is no performance gianto be had by removing the cats from a vehicle. Run a straight pipe if you need that much sound. My wife has an 86 mustang gt
with Thrush Turbo mufflers on it. Plenty loud inside the car, but nice and throaty without
being excessively loud outside. dan.
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Proud of it!I agree - I haven't done it on my truck but with only 2 cats and a Dynomax Super Turbo muffler, I wouldn't want to be any louder anyways. I have done it to Ford cars in the past and did not like the results. Maybe the Modular does sound good with no cats? ...
BUT... If you are implying that your truck would beat mine in a race with all that extra rotating mass, less gear and miracle power adder of a throttle body spacer... could beat my 5.4 with 3.73's, with the intake silencer removed, Diablosport tuner, and the exhaust mentioned above.... Then you must have some other REAL power adder or you are simply delusional.
I will restate though as to not go too far off topic - it is my OPINION that the cats should be left in place unless they are damaged. If they become damaged then they should be replaced with a stock or equivalent cat. I believe that it makes it easier to sell down the road anyways especially if your state does emmision testing or a visual for cats. Unless it is solely an offroad/race vehicle.
BUT... If you are implying that your truck would beat mine in a race with all that extra rotating mass, less gear and miracle power adder of a throttle body spacer... could beat my 5.4 with 3.73's, with the intake silencer removed, Diablosport tuner, and the exhaust mentioned above.... Then you must have some other REAL power adder or you are simply delusional.
I will restate though as to not go too far off topic - it is my OPINION that the cats should be left in place unless they are damaged. If they become damaged then they should be replaced with a stock or equivalent cat. I believe that it makes it easier to sell down the road anyways especially if your state does emmision testing or a visual for cats. Unless it is solely an offroad/race vehicle.
BTW- I dont have "less gears" than you and have quite a bit more than a throttle body spacer.